From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #682 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 23 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 682 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido and Kihap the_dojang: Gen. Choi the_dojang: Re:kihap! the_dojang: Re: kihap noises the_dojang: CSTA Annual Meeting the_dojang: RE: Getting Old/ Stretching the_dojang: Super Villains and never letting sleeping pups lie the_dojang: McDojang in the making the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mac" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:59:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido and Kihap I've seen many posts on Hapkido, and saw someone writing about how to Kihap. How many Hapkido people kihap? I know Master West doesn't. As someone else already mentioned, Hapkido is a combat orented art. In a combat situation, you wouldn't want to kihap on the battle field, as it would draw attention (and fire) to yourself. This was related to me by Master West. Review of this weekends seminar to follow shortly. Mac ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:01:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Gen. Choi I've heard General Choi's name pronounced several ways (from several TKD masters). From some of you guys who have actually trained with him and know him, how does he pronounce his name: Choy or Chae? Thanks, Mac ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:30:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:kihap! In a message dated 10/22/00 7:54:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My favorite(?) kihap, one I never used but heard used in one school down in Southern California, was "KILL!". :-| > I ALWAYS LIKED " Marine Corps!" ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:12:01 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: kihap noises My new multi-purpose kihap (OWWWW! - pronounced OWWWW!) seems to be appropriate more and more frequently. It has served me as well whether I'm ripping a hamstring on an over-ambitious side-kick or blasting an opponent's elbow rather than the hogu at which I was aiming. It is also quite effective for those of us who kihap upon receiving a strong kick to the mid-section (or anywhere else, I suppose). - --- begin quoted message --- From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:19:09 EDT anyone have comments on the different noise emmitted for kihap? - --- end quoted message --- - ---===--- Jim Griffin My MA school -> www.wuma.com My personal site -> sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 7:29:44 PDT Subject: the_dojang: CSTA Annual Meeting Forwarding... Ray - -------------------------------------------------------- California State Taekwondo Association (CSTA) To all USTU Registered Club Members The 2000 CSTA Annual Meeting well be held on: Saturday, November 4, 2000 from 4PM to 6PM Location: S.K. Taekwondo 19705 E. Colima Rd. #11 Rowland Heights, CA ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:14:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Getting Old/ Stretching Master Mac: I've been doing a lot of complaining with back and knee problems lately myself, being in the mid-forty crowd. But I got a real boost in spirit that I thought I'd let you and everyone else in on. I was privileged to sit on a regional testing board last Friday evening. One man testing for E Dan gave a very impressive performance. He was not the fastest, didn't kick the highest, but completed 3 hours of testing, doing well on each section. The test included all the basics, combinations, hyungs, jumping and jump spinning kicks, rolling and breakfalls, freestyle one-step application against 3 opponents, freestyle self defense against 3 opponents, 1-1, 2-1 and team sparring and ended with breaking. That yu dan ja is 67 years old. I never heard a single complaint from him after the test, or during our black belt camp the following day and a half. He told me simply that he was glad to be there. That really gave me a boost. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From: "Mac" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:07:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Getin' Old/Stretching info >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:02:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Super Villains and never letting sleeping pups lie Ken McD posited that "b" might be some sort of super-villain. Myself, being an open minded sort decided to take some of "b"'s instruction to heart. So I dug around and found an old black belt I earned in Tibetan Gopher Tossing (not to be confused with Combat TGT by the way.) I took said belt and diligently measured off (and I quote verbatim) "exactly two hips width in length". And then in accordance with "b"'s instructions I tied the rope around each ankle leaving two hip widths in between and (again verbatim) "then go through some training."... I fell flat on my face when I threw the first roundhouse kick. I nearly ripped out my left hip when attempting a spinning crescent kick. (this time I ended up on my back.) A jump back kick was no more successful. (on the face again) I was able to do some standing Qi Gong without injury to myself, but I fear this is not the sort of training "b" had in mind. After a good thirty minutes hobbling and hopping around my basement looking like a dang fool I decided that being tied up was not for newbie martial artists like myself who have never learned the basics and I would leave this sort of intensive,and I might add, quite dangerous, training to those from the old school who are up to the task. With tongue firmly in cheek I remain, Dave Weller student P.S. By the way, I must give credit to Master West for coining Tibetan gopher tossing. I seldom get a chance to use the phrase in casual conversation, but I am always on the lookout for the opportunity to throw it in. "Practice a thousand hours(with a belt around your ankles) and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours (with a belt around your ankles) and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi (with parenthetical comments) ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:50:43 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: McDojang in the making Mark, My first impression from your post was " How Sad". I fully agree that having directed discussion led by someone who hasn't been there and therefore does not know what he or she is talking about is not only useless, but could be harmful as well. I personally don't like the attitude of an instructor that would let a gup student lead a discussion on the philosophy of an art. Don't get me wrong. I do let higher ranking gup students assist and even in some cases lead some sections of class. This allows me the time to get other things done and more fully evaluate everyone's progress on a more 1 to 1 basis. It also allows students to learn to teach, and without exception every student has come back to me later and told me they learned more teaching than they had just attending the class. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:01:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Meaning of Blackbelt Greetings to all, I was visiting a friends dojang the other night, and while stretching, got to listen to a group conversation between gup ranks on what it means to be a blackbelt. The chief instructor was not involved, but had one of his 'leadership team', a 4th gup purple belt(I think) lead the discussion. He was the highest rank there. The talk was part of regular class. The tenets are a great topic of discussion, and the attributes that MA's give are too many to mention, but it seemed awfully strange for non-blackbelts to be having a planned discussion on what it means to BE a blackbelt since many of them will never make it to that level and/or have no idea what kind of dedication it entails. Most of the views given by the 'leader', were way off, but admittedly, the basic concepts were well intentioned. He was also reading off of a paper to guide the discussion. Instructors: How many of you have gup ranks lead discussions of which they do not have the rank or experience to moderate? How many of you have your schools broken up into various leadership or special teams? I have always been against theoretical, or philisophical discussions given by low ranks with little experience in the arts. I also disagree with the creation of special groups within a dojang as I believe it causes 'cliques'and the exclusion of those who cant afford to belong to special 'teams' (due to uniform costs, membership dues etc.) Not to say that having demo teams or assistant instructor teams is bad, just that managed incorrectly it can cause a lack of uniformity and cohesion within a dojang. This particular dojang has been steadily drifting towards the extreme commercial side of dojang management, and away from good ol' practice and has steadily been increasing the amount of memorized literature (preformed answers to questions) that have everyone answering exactly the same on subject that should be personal opinion. I think my friend has turned his school into a dreaded Mcdojang. What does everyone think? Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While on the topic of classes, how many people use a 45 min or one hour format for classes? If you use those formats, how many classes per week are students required and allowed to attend? I personally favor a 2 hour class format for adults, meeting twice per week. This seems to give more time to get into things and more actual training time after warm-up. I have found 1 hour is about all the kids can handle. Danny Dunn ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 8:17:30 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #682 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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