From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 23 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 684 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: the basics the_dojang: Name the_dojang: holding for board-breaking the_dojang: Re: Best Lightest the_dojang: Regarding Kihaps the_dojang: Combat Oriented Art...I must respectfully disagree. the_dojang: Stretching Research the_dojang: Why we study? the_dojang: Kihap sounds (Hapkido style) the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:54:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: the basics AAAAAmen, Amen, Amen. Thank You Mr. Terry. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Folks, Time to let the 'basics' and 'everything taught after the 1960s sucks' thread go. I suspect we'll never get a straight response from 'b', especially given his various nom de plumes. Over the years he as openly been Bill Knittle, William Upton-Knittle, An Tsu, An Tzu, and b. And while apparently at Black Belt magazine in the 60s he used yet a different name. So, who are we really talking to? :) Just let it go... Always been, Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:52:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Name > I've heard General Choi's name pronounced several ways (from several TKD > masters). From some of you guys who have actually trained with him and > know him, how does he pronounce his name: Choy or Chae? I have met and spoken with the GM on several occasions, and he pronounces his name as Chae. Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:00:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: holding for board-breaking Greetings all! I've been trying to think up some useful ideas to protect board holders when folks are attempting to break. Has anyone out there come up with a clever (possibly mechanical) alternative to just "hanging on and praying"? I ask because time and again, I've seen people holding boards correctly only to have an overzealous kicker blast the holder's fingers with an errant kick. Just this Saturday, I was recruited to hold for a competitive breaker in a tournament (GM H.K. Kim's tournament in Cincinnati, OH - fun time!). I was holding with a partner for what I thought was going to be a flying side kick over a folding chair. No no - this guy wanted to do a flying back-kick. His first attempt was a swing and a miss so he settled for a jump back kick. His power was admirable; his accuracy was not. His heel smashed into the board directly across from my bottom hand leaving an impressive cut and an impressively huge bruise (I was debating on getting the thing x-rayed Saturday) on the fleshy part of my palm just South of the thumb. Needless to say, I'm going to be very reluctant to hold in the future for anyone I don't know. If there were some sort of board-holding stand out there though... - ---===--- Jim Griffin My MA school -> www.wuma.com My personal site -> sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Anoot@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:24:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Best Lightest What is the best made and lightest sparring vest currently available. Looking for something that is easy to secure (possibly velcro over ties). Macho, Century Elite TKD), Rhee Max, Adidas. Any suggestions? anoot@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:32:14 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Regarding Kihaps On the subject of kihaps, I've heard "pasha" or "basha", "boooow", and "wooooooo" (sounds like a dog barking woof but without the f sound at the end). I've watched some Korean sparring videos and they frequently say "heeeeeeey". There is the ever popular "eye-ahh" that is very manufactured. On the subject of kihaping in combat, seems to me unless you are working in some covert situation or ambush, that the scene or battlefield may be very loud with war going on around you. The kihap can serve to confuse and generally scare your opponent. I know these are only movies, but I've seen many times when guys are running into battle while yelling at the same time. Kihaps can be witnessed in many other sports such as what goes on between linemen in football or tackling an opponent. People are often heard kihaping while riding a roller coaster:) Steve ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:32:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Combat Oriented Art...I must respectfully disagree. From: "Stovall, David C." A person wrote: < Simple question...how many of us REALLY believe that what we study is in any way, shape, or form related to "combat"? >> Hey David. I wrote the above line, and personally I don't train for combat myself. I was referring to my instructor who did, and used it in combat in hand-to-hand situations. He specifically mentioned why he doesn't kihap, or at least learned not to, while he *was* on the battle field in Viet Nam with the Korean Tiger division. Hapkido helped him survive. You may want to ask him questions directly. His name is JR West, his e-mail address is hapkido@netdoor.com . I'm sure he'd be happy to answer your questions. Mac (survivor of JR West's seminar this weekend....) ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:47:44 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Research Would anyone on the list have interest in participating or having student volunteers participating in a stretching research program? The idea is to get enough people who will follow a designed regimen for some time and then measure the results. It will require discipline on the part of the volunteers as well as some record keeping. I've seen so many methods that I thought it would be interesting to really see if dynamic flexibility methods produce measurable gains in a variety of students. I would design the programs and handle all the communications. The students just have to follow the workouts and record the dates, times, and measures. I would publish the results back to this group. If anyone would like to suggest ways to do the design and evaluate the populations, I'd appreciate it. I don't see very much research on martial arts from this perspective and though this group might like to jump in. Please email me off-line if you or your students might be interested. If this goes well, I'd also like to explore strength and plyometric training as well as agility. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:11:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Why we study? From: "Stovall, David C." <> What about this question: How many study with no regards to combat, street, or self-defense, but merely for the art and enjoyment of it? I'm not in law enforcement, not in the military, not in situations where I'm normally in a position where I would need self-defense. I study MA for the sheer enjoyment of it, for the "art" so to speak. And hopefully, as a by-product of my training, I could defend myself if the need arises. I know some people take up MA for self-defense, fitness, competition, etc. What's your reason? Mac ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:26:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Kihap sounds (Hapkido style) Great topic. I'm sure we all have heard a full spectrum of kihap sounds (or sometimes noise). GM Ji teaches alot about kihap sounds, as there are different sounds for different situations. An explanation of all of this could go on for many hours, or pages. So here's the basic principle: The basic sound closely resembles the English pronunciation "eight". But just as important is the fact that the back molars in the mouth should touch slightly while making the sound, thereby creating a slight vibration. To explain the reason for this would also take some time. To shorten the load here, we'll just say that "ki" energy has three types of work that it does. 1) Physical power 2) Mental abilities 3) Medicine work (as in maintaining or restoring health). Also, there are other sounds that are important, such as in meditation: "NG" Tone = Universe, Spiritual Strength, Sunshine. "M" Tone = Ground, Mental Strength, Air. "SS" Tone = Humans, Physical Strength, Water. I think the mention by Master West is also correct, in that most people use the kihap only for making noise in order to distract their opponent. Use in this way serves little purpose otherwise, and is regarded by a lot of people in Hapkido as a waste of breath and noise pollution. Sorry for the long response, I usually try to keep thing short. But like I said, a full explanation of this would take a while. Anyone interested further should feel free to contact me off-line, an I'll try to respond as soon as possible. Better yet, you can try to make our upcoming seminar with Dojunim on 11-12 November. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:07:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.