From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #686 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 24 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 686 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Gen Choi (pronunciation) the_dojang: Re: breaking - hand protectors the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #685 the_dojang: Hapkido kihaps the_dojang: Tibetan Gopher Tossing the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 the_dojang: Address Correction the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 the_dojang: Re: Kihap the_dojang: RE: Meaning of a Black Belt Re: the_dojang: holding for board-breaking the_dojang: =?utf-8?B?Q29tYmF0Li4u?= the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan Shroyer" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:31:33 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Gen Choi (pronunciation) Master McHenry, I've never trained with General Choi, but I do speak Korean. The correct (i.e. Korean) pronunciation of his name is a cross between "Chae" and "Chwae". While there is a slight [w] sound between the initial consonant and final vowel, it is very slight in Korean and is usually not recognized (heard) by foreign listeners. There is no "Choy" sound (as in boy, toy, coy) in Korean. However, he may be perfectly comfortable with that pronunciation considering his substantial interaction with non-Koreans. Ryan Shroyer Korean Linguist, USN - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac" I've heard General Choi's name pronounced several ways (from several TKD masters). From some of you guys who have actually trained with him and know him, how does he pronounce his name: Choy or Chae? ------------------------------ From: "Jim Griffin" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:57:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: breaking - hand protectors Sounds useful. Could you describe these hand protectors? Thanks in advance! - --- begin quoted message --- From: "Floyd, Jim" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:56:55 -0600 There was a company putting out a plastic hand protector for the holder. I bought 3 sets of them and have been very satisfied. When I tried to buy more the company was out of business. Too bad since they work really well. This would be a good business opportunity for someone. - --- end quoted message --- - ---===--- Jim Griffin My MA school -> www.wuma.com My personal site -> sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "stryd" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:45:46 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #685 > Side-stepping the issue of why and what was taught to the Vietnamese Special > Forces, my Instructor, who was a member of the Vietnam Hapkido team, teaches > the use of the word "eight". It was also reported in a previous post that > GM Ji also uses "eight". It's interesting to hear that, as the 'natural' kihap that I developed quite by accident was a similar sound... When I am thinking about it, I usually use the standard 'kihap' shout, as that i what I have been taught thus far and what my instructors want to hear, however if one just 'slips out' it usually sounds like 'height' without the 'h'....the homeboy colloquialism for 'alright' - 'aight!' Funny when I think of it like that... 'Word up G...aight!' hehehe > How many study with no regards to combat, street, > or self-defense, but merely for the art and enjoyment of it? Similarly to yourself, I started training to make sure that if I got into a fight, I would win (because I got into too many fights back then). There was also the motivation of health and fitness as a side-issue... However I quickly changed my tack and have since become quite the pacifist... The spiritual side of the arts has taken over and strangely enough, ever since I was good enough to win (some of) them, I haven't come close to getting into a fight... And also, forms make for good dance moves! ;) On this topic, I wonder if anyone knows of any good sources of information online, for meditation, philosophy, etc (IE the spiritual side of the martial arts) Cheers T ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:02:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido kihaps << My Instructor trains us to identify if our opponent has a long and trailing Kiap. This identifies an exhale, and if you believe that you can take advantage of an exhale, then it is worth being able to identify long and trailing kiaps. >> Patrick, Great explanation and absolutely correct. Taking advantage of an end of an exhale to strike your opponent when he has not air in his lungs. Kind of like having the air knocked out of you and not being able to inhale. Proper breathing, very important. V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "K T" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:48:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Tibetan Gopher Tossing David I am also a novice but could I suggest that the moves you were practising were probably not the "basic" moves of Tibetan Gopher Tossing? Also perhaps your hips weren't regulation TGT width? Yours, in trying to help Noel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:28:26 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 In a message dated 10/23/00 5:46:06 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << On the subject of kihaps, I've heard "pasha" or "basha", "boooow", and "wooooooo" (sounds like a dog barking woof but without the f sound at the end). I've watched some Korean sparring videos and they frequently say "heeeeeeey". There is the ever popular "eye-ahh" that is very manufactured. >> Visited one school and one of the students was yelling "Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow!" one per kick. New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:32:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Address Correction If anyone tried to get in touch with me about the stretching program/research at the visioncompass email in my signature card, I apologize. Please use the address in this card, dgreed@pacifier.com or dreed@nova1.net. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #684 In a message dated 10/23/00 5:46:06 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I know some people take up MA for self-defense, fitness, competition, etc. What's your reason? Mac >> when I was a kid in the 60s, I read all those comic book ads of the skinnie guy learning self defense or doing weights. That's why i train! So I can kill a bully in one second with my little finger!.......:) not Gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "S. H. Wee" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:31:52 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kihap Well, my favourite kihap is "hissssssss....". It raises from my Dan Jung and released either from my nose or my rear. :-) S. H. Wee ------------------------------ From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:05:58 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Meaning of a Black Belt I've studied several martial arts since 1987 and didn't receive a black belt until I received my 1st Dan Han Mu Do this year from Do Ju Nim Dr. He-Young Kimm. I was never really hard-pressed to attend belt tests in the past. I just wanted to learn the techniques, master them and move on. When I was young and competing in Shodokan as a yellow, blue, green belt, we would put on the full-contact suit once a week and go at it. On numerous occasions I defeated some of the upper brown belts. One of which received his black belt and opened his own dojo (with daddy's money). After seeing this I said to myself, "What's the use in paying all of these fee's and travelling all of the distances to test for a belt when I can whip these same guy's without going through all of that?" That feeling stuck with me even after I joined the military. Each time I move to a different country I try a different art. I never attended another belt test until I started Han Mu Do. I like this system and want to fully progress and understand the "whole system," not just the techniques. I waited thirteen years for it and can proudly and honestly say that I deserve it. After Do Ju Nim Kimm wrapped that black belt around my waist, I realized the meaning of all those years of training...I am now an "Advanced Student." Earning a black belt is like climbing a mountain. At the top is a (black belt). At the bottom (white belt) all you can see is how big the mountain is and the path you must take to the top . Each (colored ranking) is a station where you must check-in. Once you get to the top of the mountain (black belt) you can clearly see everything that is around the mountain. You then realize that you are just a small part of the universe and powerless against it (back to white belt). There is so much more to learn...black belt is just the beginning. My personal philosophy is, "GET THE BELT TO LEARN MORE...DON'T LEARN MORE TO GET THE BELT!" I wonder if this philosophy will work towards earning my Dan in "Tibetan Gopher Tossing?" Where can I get a tape (ds)? Han, Sun Bi Nim Gordon2-sends... 1st Dan, Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:37:14 GMT Subject: Re: the_dojang: holding for board-breaking On Mon, 10/23/00 "Jim Griffin" wrote: [snip] I've been trying to think up some useful ideas to protect board holders when folks are attempting to break. Has anyone out there come up with a clever (possibly mechanical) alternative to just "hanging on and praying"? Jim. The best product [and cheapest] I can think about and wholeheartedly endorse for protecting the holders' fingers is the Shurgard finger guard. About $20 for two, it is easy to use and made out of Lexon. Designed by a TKD master, I've used them for over ten years with no breakage to the product or damage to the fingers. If they are not still advertised in TKDT, let me know and I will give you the inventor's e-mail. What I like about the Shurgard is that people still have to learn how to hold boards. The downside is that often the holders are the weak link in breaking [but that is what training is for!]. Also, I've been doing alot of breaking lately in class [the reduced expense of re-breakable boards] and my wrists are starting to ache from people near-missing the center of the board and repeated shock to the wrists. This November I'm thinking of buying a Breakmaster board holder for home. This is so I can go downstairs and "break" anytime I want without having to have a holder/holders. I'll let you know how I like it when I get it, stack it up and play!! Dana _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: =?utf-8?B?U3RvdmFsbCwgRGF2aWQgQy4=?= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:23:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: =?utf-8?B?Q29tYmF0Li4u?= Mac wrote: Thanks for the clarification, Mac. I hope you did not think I was bringing into question the authenticity of your instructor’s personal experiences, nor the fact that he was involved in “combat” situations (referring to your highlighting of the word ‘was’). Again, my intent was not to call into question the experiences or beliefs of any one individual or group of people, but rather to give my personal perspective as to the relevancy of interpersonal fighting systems to the arena of modern warfare. I’m sure your instructor has many interesting anecdotes, and I would be honored to hear them as I hold the utmost respect for those among us who have been called to military duty. However, I’ll pass on the invitation to e-mail him directly on this matter as I’m sure he is a busy man. If he should choose to use this list to share his experiences in order to offer some perspective on the matter then I know I’d be delighted in hearing them (and we could all probably benefit). Thanks ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 7:58:45 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #686 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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