From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #688 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 24 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 688 In this issue: the_dojang: Pulitzer the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #687 the_dojang: Where to buy Shurgard the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #687 the_dojang: Ki-Haps, etc. the_dojang: Re: Korean sounds the_dojang: Re: lightest chest guard the_dojang: Re: board stands the_dojang: Cebu City= Jan-Feb 2001 the_dojang: Re: Gen Choi (pronunciation) the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Floyd, Jim" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:58:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #687 - ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:45:19 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Re: breaking - hand protectors (Shurgard) For those that are interested, the Shurgard hand protector for board breaking is carried by: Ken's Trading Company, 801 S. Dupont Ave., Suite A, Ontario, CA 91761 (800) 331-5367 ____________________________________________________________________________ __ Mr. Vaillancourt, Thank you for this source of the Shurgard hand protectors. My attempts to contact Shurgard directly had met with failure. Jim Floyd Warrior Alliance Colorado ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: tchaffee@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:18:10 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Where to buy Shurgard http://www.netstuff.com/shurgard/ or http://www.goldentiger.com/shurboarhol.html No affiliation with either. I just did a search and came up with these! HTH, Tim - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #687 Proff.b, When was the Old Day's. Sir please elaborate on this subject since you constantly make reference to them. Dan ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ki-Haps, etc. First, on the subject of ki-haps, I was told when I first started and asked some questions about the art of HapKiDo, the the "sound" we should make when exhaling should be very close to the sound we make when we say the letter "H". The seemed to hold true regardless of how hard we exhaled, but we NEVER made noise in the "woods" during my time in country (Feb., 66 until DEROS of May 4, 1970) due to the fact that it always seemed to draw unwanted attention. As far as using techniques in combat, my ROK companions (and protectors, thank God) never fought the war the same way that the other involved nations did, in that almost all of our "work" was done during the hours of darkness throughout the area of II corps in the central highlands. It was of UTMOST importance that we entered, performed and exited without much attention being drawn to our presence, and because of this, we only actually fired our weapons after being detected, or on our way to an LZ to be extracted. We traveled very light and only seldom had to remain away from the ROK compound during daylight hours. The situation in the RVN was similar to the old tale of the 5 blind men trying to describe an elephant by touching only one part of its anatomy, in that the war was VERY different depending on when and where you were while you were there. I will strongly agree that a hand to hand situation was not ever expected and was a sure sign that something had gone horribly wrong in most cases, however, there were numerous times when someone would tell us to leave our 14's or 16's behind and get ready for the feces to hit the rotating oscillator. I never really cared for this contingency, but my comrades knew better than I how to make things happen, and I trusted them completely and was never disappointed. Another point comes to mind in that my HapKiDo training made me a better "grunt" due to my ability to concentrate during situations that would usually be "distracting". All in all, I am still here and still doing HapKiDo, and I am continuously in the debt of a couple of my instructors that would NOT let me quit my training....J. R. West www.hapkido.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:52:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Korean sounds Thanks for the clarification, Mac Mac, Think that's bad, at a big conference I attended the last two days involving a group of Asian legal scholars, a senator mispronounced a number of names includinging Korea's president. And then there is the common American way to pronounce Taekwondo. Hint, it rhymes with "day kwon do" not "tie kwon do" On one of the language tapes I have, they have taekwondo, and pronounce it with the tie sound as the English version and then the proper way. Then there is the American way to say Hapkido, saying the hap as rhyming with map. NOT! The "a" is not pronounced short like this. I guess I am more sensitive to this sound because of my wife's maiden name, Ham. No, it is not pronounced as in what you eat on a sandwich. The "a" is more of an "ah" sound, not quite an "o" sound. I told her people would call her ham, as in the sandwich meat, and that's what they do. Obviously she doesn't care for it much. So I guess I really notice it when people pronounce Hapkido with the short "a" sound as well. But hey, you don't have to speak the language to be able to perform and teach the art. Guess I'll just continue to work on both, I have a long ways to go on both fronts. :-) I'd like to be like one of the people I shared a table with at last nights dinner. He speaks Korean, Lao (sp?), Japanese and Chinese besides English of course. Yep, I better hit the books..... Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:24:38 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: lightest chest guard In a message dated 10/23/00 3:45:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > From: Anoot@aol.com > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:24:49 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Best Lightest > > What is the best made and lightest sparring vest currently available. > Looking for something that is easy to secure (possibly velcro over ties). > Macho, Century Elite TKD), Rhee Max, Adidas. Any suggestions? > anoot@aol.com imho, i believe that would be the macho chest guard. it's less than 1.5 lbs. it's the lightest one i've ever held. it's molded and rather cool looking :). it comes in either blue or red, but is not the reversible hogu type. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:15:09 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: board stands There are actually, though they don't look terribly sturdy. Anyone hear every try one? ~Daniel >Needless to say, I'm going to be very reluctant to hold in the future for >anyone I don't know. If there were some sort of board-holding stand out >there though... > >- ---===--- >Jim Griffin >My MA school -> www.wuma.com >My personal site -> sitebuilder.liveuniverse.com/jgriffin/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Cebu City= Jan-Feb 2001 Well, the Mrs. made reservations for Cebu City, PI during the Jan-Feb 01 time period. I wanted to stop in Seoul for a quick shopping trip and stop by some of my 'ol drinking holes like Indian Joe's up in Itawon. Could show the Mrs. what I used to be like...nah. Instead, we are stopping off in Hong Kong. Figured I could get a few watches. Then off to Cebu. Have made arrangements for private lessons with a well known Filipino martial artist in Cebu. I could provide a trip journal periodically, e.g., "As I boarded the plane I followed the advice of Abbie Hoffman, author of "Steal this Book" and took all the good magazines in preparation for the long arduous flight. Next stop, all the plane bathrooms and grabbed all the small bars of soap. Could come in handy in the provinces of the Philippines...told the stewardess to bring me several bags of those delicious peanuts...slipped her a $5.00 spot...arrived in Hong Kong...ordered General Tso's hot and spicy pork...spent next 5 hours in bathroom regretting lunch option and never knowing who General Tso really was...forgot to bring the pink bottle...yelled at the wife to stay out of the bathroom, since my health was more important than her makeup." McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:23:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Gen Choi (pronunciation) Sir, I asked both Gen. Choi and Master Choi (Gen. Choi's son) about this a couple of years ago at a seminar in Denver. Master Choi indicated the correct pronunciation is "Chae" (to my American ears). Master Choi indicated that his father has accepted the English pronunciation of "Choy" (much as "Smyth" accepts "Smith"). Gen. Choi was unconcerned about what I called him (as long as I was respecful -- he was sir or Gen. Choi of course!). He was more concerned that I pay attention to what he was trying to teach me. Regards Robert Martin >From: "Mac" >Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:48:55 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Gen Choi (pronunciation) > >From: "Ryan Shroyer" ><(i.e. Korean) pronunciation of his name is a cross between "Chae" and >"Chwae". ...... There is no "Choy" sound (as in boy, toy, coy) in >Korean.>> > >Thanks Ryan (and others). I didn't think there was an "oy" sound, but I've >always heard it pronounced that way I guess because of the English spelling >(Choi). It was bugging me hearing Master Hilland say it that way, I was >about to slap that boy silly..... (wellllll... maybe not- he'd kill me). >Then Master Hodder was joining in and pronouncing it the same way (Chae). >Master Hilland even noticed that he was pronouncing it "correctly" too. >How could I argue with these guys that had it wrong, when either one of 'em >could kick my ass blindfolded, on one foot with an arm tied behind their >backs? > >Glad I didn't place a bet on it :-) So gentlemen, {bowing low} you are >correct..... Now I just have to re-program my brain. > >Thanks for the clarification, > Mac ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:50:26 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #688 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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