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The_Dojang-Digest             Wed, 25 Oct 2000          Vol 07 : Num 689

In this issue:

       the_dojang: Re: Tibetan Gopher Throwing (HKD adaptation)
       the_dojang: Korean sounds
       the_dojang: Female Chest protectors
       the_dojang: Gen Choi (pronunciation)
       the_dojang: Last Call for Stretch Study Volunteers
       the_dojang: Do Bohk Trim
       the_dojang: .
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From: "Dana Vaillancourt" <vailkorma@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:43:38 GMT
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tibetan Gopher Throwing (HKD adaptation)

Master West.

No insult intended, but didn't the Tibetan Gopher Throwing (TGT) grow out of 
a local adaptation of advanced Hapkido techniques?  I am of course referring 
to dan requirements for stone and knife throwing.  It is my understanding 
that poor Tibetans in wintry climates could not find stones or afford knives 
or repeatedly hurt themselves getting hit by these thrown objects, resulting 
in fewer and fewer students - - hence driving many instructors into 
seclusion.  Gophers were thought to be heavy enough to weight train the arm 
and fat enough to have no rough edges.  Also, it is my understanding that 
after a practice session, the meat was sufficiently softened for dinner, 
furthering the bond between student and master.  This allowed the Masters to 
come back down into the villages and often be seen as sages and providers.  
Although there was the potential to get fat from eating many gophers from 
bad throws as a novice, chasing them down more than compensated.  A whole 
complex socio-economic system resulting from adaptation of hapkido 
techniques.

Dana
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From: "Mac" <Master.McHenry@USA.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:14:07 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Korean sounds

From: ABurrese@aol.com
<<Think that's bad, at a big conference I attended the last two days involving
a group of Asian legal scholars, a senator mispronounced a number of names
includinging Korea's president.>>

I heard a news reporter on the radio yesterday say the North Korean leaders
name as "Kim Jung the second" :-)

<<And then there is the common American way to pronounce Taekwondo.  Hint,
it rhymes with "day kwon do" not "tie kwon do">>

I hate that too.  It doesn't help that Billy Blanks is so popular with his
"Tae Bo" tapes that he pronounces "Tie Bo".

Same thing happens with "Tang Soo Do".  should sound more like "Tong".  Not
only does it rhyme with "dong", but I have seen it spelled that way "Dong
Soo Do" by Koreans.

<<Then there is the American way to say Hapkido, saying the hap as rhyming
with map.  NOT!  The "a" is not pronounced short like this.  I guess I am more
sensitive to this sound because of my wife's maiden name, Ham.  No, it is not
pronounced as in what you eat on a sandwich.  The "a" is more of an "ah"
sound, not quite an "o" sound. >>

Thanks for the lesson.
  Mac


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From: "Mac" <Master.McHenry@USA.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:25:46 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Female Chest protectors

One of my young students has grown up into a young lady.  I've not had to
deal with this in the past, and not having experienced this myself, it is
hard to be able to give the right advice, coming from my perspective as a
male.

I think she is beginning to realize some limitations of being female.  She
noticed that she kind of hits herself during some punches, and it is now a
noticeable factor when sparring, one-steps, etc.

What would be the best thing for young ladies?  A chest protector
specifically designed for females, or does a regular hogu work fine?  Or is
there some other piece of equipment (similar to a cup for males) that
females should invest in?

I know this may seem like a strange question to be asking for some of you.
If you have any advice, you can also e-mail me privately.  I guess it is
becoming much more important to keep her guard up than it was in the past...

Kamsahamnida,
    Mac

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From: "jere-hilland" <jere-hilland@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:25:08 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Gen Choi (pronunciation)

My first teacher was one of the General's students (first generation) in the
70's and so was Jennifer's (although she did not start till the 80's). She
had a chance to meet the General in the mid 80's in Houston. By the time she
started taekwondo I had switched to WTF and started hapkido which caused a
brief confusion as General Choi and Choi Yong Sul have sir names that are
pronounced differently. Ask Jennifer about it when you see her in February.
Jere http://homepages.go.com/homepages/j/r/h/jrhilland/HapkiDojang.html
From: "Mac" <Master.McHenry@USA.net>
Glad I didn't place a bet on it :-) So gentlemen, {bowing low} you are
correct.....  Now I just have to re-program my brain. Thanks for the
clarification, Mac

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From: David Reed <dreed@nova1.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:48:15 -0700
Subject: the_dojang: Last Call for Stretch Study Volunteers

Today is the last day to email me and sign up for the stretching study.
I've had a number of good folks joining up and there's room for more.
This program will last twelve weeks and is designed to increase dynamic
flexibility and strength.  When we get done, that data will be published
and shared with everyone.  To make this as valuable as it can be, the
larger the group the better, statistically speaking.

There's no cost to this.  The commitment is to follow the program and
record flexibility and strength measurements.  The only agenda is to
make a start at scientific analysis of how applicable current
physiological understanding of our bodies really applies to martial arts
performance, health, and fitness.  There have been a very limited number
of these studies done and never with a general population like this.
After this, I'll be looking to do evaluations of strength, plyometric,
and tissue type specific training.  Anyone can participate and anyone
can have the data.

Thanks,

David

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From: "hununpa" <hununpa@netzero.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:56:46 -0400
Subject: the_dojang: Do Bohk Trim

<<In Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do,  black belts trim their white uniform jackets
with black trim. (right?)  I would like to know the origin of the trimming
of the uniform in this fashion.>>

Better late than never (exit lurk mode...)

I understand that the white uniform with Midnight blue trim eludes to the
uniform of the Roayal Palace Guards (Soo Bahk Do).
I also understand that some TKD players use Black Lapels for Dan Ranking and
Trim around the bottom of the jacket for Instructors.
As Far as I know, Tang Soo Do (MDK) trims the entire jacket (lapel, bottom,
and sleeves).

just my $0.02

Charles Richards
Mojakwan TSD

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:55:08 PDT
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