From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #690 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 25 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 690 In this issue: the_dojang: Female Chest protectors the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #689 the_dojang: Reply: Female Chest Protectors (Master McHenry) the_dojang: Re: chest protectors the_dojang: Cebu City the_dojang: Female Chest Protectors the_dojang: Gophers and other facts (as I see 'em) the_dojang: hours 'in the saddle' ? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1250 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:31:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Female Chest protectors There are female groin protectors on the market...I believe Century has them. I just got a chest guard for a student from Rheemax (Jhoon Rhee). It is a foam dip(just like macho/Rhee/century gloves), is about 1/2 inch thick, and is molded to fit a 'normal' sized female anatomy. She hasn't worn it yet, so I have no idea how it performs. Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives ------------------------------ From: "Floyd, Jim" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:53:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #689 - ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:25:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Female Chest protectors One of my young students has grown up into a young lady. I've not had to deal with this in the past, and not having experienced this myself, it is hard to be able to give the right advice, coming from my perspective as a male. I think she is beginning to realize some limitations of being female. She noticed that she kind of hits herself during some punches, and it is now a noticeable factor when sparring, one-steps, etc. What would be the best thing for young ladies? A chest protector specifically designed for females, or does a regular hogu work fine? Or is there some other piece of equipment (similar to a cup for males) that females should invest in? I know this may seem like a strange question to be asking for some of you. If you have any advice, you can also e-mail me privately. I guess it is becoming much more important to keep her guard up than it was in the past... Kamsahamnida, Mac - ------------------------------ Mac, The best chest protector we found for my daughter (we tried several) was a bra type holder from Century that allows the woman to choose different cup sizes for the firm plastic inserts that go in front of each breast. This design seemed to provide maximum protection while allowing freedom of movement during fighting. Jim Floyd Warrior Alliance Colorado ------------------------------ From: DWall1008@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:09:41 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Reply: Female Chest Protectors (Master McHenry) First of all thank you for taking into account that all students have "adaptations" to be made whether male or female. I have tried a couple of these female chest protectors in the Century and Macho lines. One was advertised in the Century catalogue and looked good in the magazine. When it was received, it more resembled something that Madonna wore on one of her tours. (Two plastic cones and an elastic string), It was a joke that it would protect the less endowed never mind the more endowed). I also tried the usual TKD universal red/blue chest protector, it was ok but you had to tie it pretty tight which restricted movement and sure did make me sweat alot. I have seen the newer styles which look more molded and also have a spine/kidney protection area as well, it had some room for expansion to maybe try that one. On an additional note, I tried the female "cup" for lower area protection. Another joke product. It was about 3" wide in the upper abdomen area and less than a half in wide in the nether re gion. Thus it provided no real protection at all. I guess the manufacturers of such equipment don't realize that we get kicked there too and yup it hurts quite a bit. I was competing in a krane tournament with a 6' tall female competitor who had already been warned for a below the belt kick (I'm only 5'5". She proceeded to kick me there again knocking me off my feet. And a point was taken away with a severe warning that she would be kicked off the circuit if there was another instance. Afterwards, we were watching a video of the fight and at the point of me leaving my feet and landing on the floor holding the nether region was my mother's voice in the background saying " I'm not kissing that boo-boo". Good Luck! ------------------------------ From: TKDAZZKIKR@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: chest protectors Mac: Tell her to get some "turtle shells". Century sells them, as well as just about every other MA and sport supplier. I have a set, and they are great. Very comfortable, and very protective. They come in various sizes, so tell her to check them out. They are also relatively inexpensive. She'll notice a big difference! LOL! Stephanie ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:21:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Cebu City Ken, I believe that I left the better part of myself in Cebu City, or was it Subic City. Maybe Olongapo. Well anyways, you get my drift. Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "Silke Schulz" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:25:34 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Female Chest Protectors >Mac wrote: >I think she is beginning to realize some limitations of being female. She >noticed that she kind of hits herself during some punches, and it is now a >noticeable factor when sparring, one-steps, etc. - ---From my perspective as a female practitioner of the martial arts, I don't see any limitations to being female. There are some annoyances, perhaps, but not limitations. Limitations are often put in place by the mind, not the body. If I may, I suggest you might simply want to support her efforts at adapting to her changing body, and adapt she will. :-) >What would be the best thing for young ladies? A chest protector >specifically designed for females, or does a regular hogu work fine? Or is >there some other piece of equipment (similar to a cup for males) that >females should invest in? - ---A regular hogu will work fine, but there is at least one less bulky alternative. Macho (and also Century) sells an athletic bra with "turtle shell" cup inserts that serves me well without adding the bulk of a hogu. I recommend this bra to all my female students. There are also smaller external chest protectors, but they are bulkier than the bra, which to me means more awkward movement, particularly since they extend down past the solar plexus. IMHO, the occasional painful strike to the midsection can be a great teacher and protection that extends that far down will end up preventing the student from learning to block the solar plexus. Good luck! Silke Schulz kicks@ccis.com www.ccis.com/home/kicks "Discipline is the refining fire by which talent becomes ability." --Roy L. Smith ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:32:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Gophers and other facts (as I see 'em) Dana: I NEVER let truth or facts get in the way of a good story, but I will say that shortly after teaching these HKD techniques to the Tibetans a few hundred years ago, I then started working on developing an informational super-highway...OUCH....My nose just hit the computer screen..Hey, I should write a book about it!!...On a more serious note (?) after reading the story of TGT to my blackbelt class last night, several wanted to know if certification was available...How scary is that!!, and I wonder how much I should charge..hmmmmm......JRW >Master West. > >No insult intended, but didn't the Tibetan Gopher Throwing (TGT) grow out of >a local adaptation of advanced Hapkido techniques? I am of course referring >to dan requirements for stone and knife throwing. It is my understanding >that poor Tibetans in wintry climates could not find stones or afford knives >or repeatedly hurt themselves getting hit by these thrown objects, resulting >in fewer and fewer students - - hence driving many instructors into >seclusion. Gophers were thought to be heavy enough to weight train the arm >and fat enough to have no rough edges. Also, it is my understanding that >after a practice session, the meat was sufficiently softened for dinner, >furthering the bond between student and master. This allowed the Masters to >come back down into the villages and often be seen as sages and providers. >Although there was the potential to get fat from eating many gophers from >bad throws as a novice, chasing them down more than compensated. A whole >complex socio-economic system resulting from adaptation of hapkido >techniques. > >Dana apply. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:59:43 PDT Subject: the_dojang: hours 'in the saddle' ? A recent article in Black Belt magazine (therefore it must be true :) indicated that the average MA studio owner worked about 40 to 70 hours per week (on the average). For you average studio owners out there :), does that sound about right? ~55 hours per week? Just curious... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:02:16 PDT Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #690 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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