From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #719 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 18 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 719 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 the_dojang: sour grapes the_dojang: Seminole Tribe Files Lawsuit the_dojang: Re: the splits the_dojang: Re: WTF / ITF the_dojang: testing color belts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 Re: the_dojang: Re: WTF / ITF the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1280 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:15:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 In a message dated 11/18/00 9:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << A. status quo. A heart felt garage dojang, adding times and days as needed to handle a max of 20-25 students, but with no overhead. A is best option in my opinion. That's how I started 8 years ago. Once you have the income, then look for a place. B. Slow growth. Sub-lease space/time from a nearby traditional Hapkido School if available. C. Modest expansion. Increase efforts to find a club/gym to sub-lease space. D. Financial risk. Negotiate a lease (about $12-$18/sf/yr) for 800 to 1200 SF store front with visibilty and driveby traffic. Gary Pieratt >> New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:25:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 I must have missed something. What happened in Sydney? This what happens when your computer breaks and the radio falls out of your car at the same time. Neal "The WTF will slowly fall apart over time and the ITF will gain over time. There will be no merger just one acclimating to the other. The fall out after the what happen in Sydney just seam to be accelerating the process." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:27:01 PST Subject: the_dojang: sour grapes > I must have missed something. What happened in Sydney? Nothing to worry about. Just some that never liked sport TKD continue to not like sport TKD. IMHO. I predict the ITF as an organization will splinter and fall apart shortly after Major General Choi (Ret) passes on. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:09:44 PST Subject: the_dojang: Seminole Tribe Files Lawsuit Just for fun... Ray - -------------------------------------------------------- WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Nov. 10 - Leaders of Florida's Seminole tribe filed suit today in federal court, claiming that the use of arrows on election ballots was demeaning and intimidating to Native Americans. The suit alleges that nearly 19,000 members of the tribe, who had intended to vote for George W. Bush, became so distraught at the sight of the arrows that their hands began to shake uncontrollably, causing them to mispunch the ballot. The chief of the tribe noted that many of these people left the polls in tears, and came to him saying they "knew they had punched more than one hole in the ballot." The suit calls for the scalp of the local election officials who designed the ballot. ------------------------------ From: "Diane Goodman" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:09:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: the splits In a former school, we used to have this torture instrument that you could place between your legs and crank it up to stretch your split out farther and farther. I don't know what it's called, but probably some of you know what I'm talking about. However, James, I don't think you need to get fixated on being able to do a 180-degree split. I don't get much more than 90 myself. Some of us just aren't as flexible as others and never will be. Just because someone can kick over your head doesn't make him a better martial artist. It looks pretty but may not have much substance. By all means continue to work on your flexibility, but don't get discouraged just because you can't "spread 'em" as wide as some of your colleagues. As Red Green says, "I'm pullin' for ya -- we're all in this together ... " Diane ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:14:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: WTF / ITF > >From: Ray Terry >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:16:18 PST >Subject: the_dojang: WTF / ITF > >> There has been much "talk" on web recently about a merger (again) between >> the ITF and "WTF" (I put the "" around WTF because I think these folks mean >> between the ITF and Kukki related groups. What are some of the opinions of >> members of this list? >> >> Could a merger work? >> What form would it take? > >Like the AAU's TKD pgm? > What would that do to the USTU? >> What about rank holders? (ITF doesn't certify masters until 7th Dan. >> Kukkiwon does it at 4th or 5th Dan?) > >Isn't that just because a WTF 4th Dan is equivalent to an ITF 7th Dan? > :) I'm kidding!!! I'm kidding... :) > And I always thought it was becuase the ITF didn't want us to get big heads! (hehe) >So in many (most) styles a Master is defined as a Dan tester. Can't an >ITF 6th Dan promote someone to an ITF 1st Dan? Just curious... > If I remember correctly, an ITF 4th dan can pass someone to 2nd dan (being a 4th dan you would think I would know that, but the situation has not come up -- yet). >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > I also thought of another question: what would the attitude of the South Korean government be? Regards Robert Martin the lowly ITF 4th Dan not master ------------------------------ From: Olivos@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:23:13 EST Subject: the_dojang: testing color belts I need some guidance. My master has asked me to help him test the color belts and I was wondering what points I should consider when I'm taking notes or making observations. The problem is we are a small school and currently I'm the only other black belt adult. We will have some special guests and I don't want to look like a fool in front of these guests. At the same time, I was wondering what kind of programs/schedule do schools do when testing childrens color belts. Our school, on testing day, gets split into two groups, white to purple and, hi purple to pre black belt candidates. The adults will sometimes test with the kids or sometimes will test separately. Each group will take approximately 2 hours for testing. Any input will be greatly appreciated in either children's or adults testing. Tae Kwon Betty 1st Dan ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:25:22 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 > >From: "hununpa" >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:07:43 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Garage Bands > >In an effort to pick-up the chatter... > >On the anniversary of MDK (November 13th) I officially started teaching Tang >Soo Do after a pause to change careers, buy our first home, and father my >firstborn (son that is). During that period I did a lot of research, and >continued my training in the korean martial arts. My first revelation is >that my wife and I should start our own organization, Moja Kwan. I can >truly say nothing is more rewarding than having your family enjoy the >martial arts with you! Here's my question for the list.... >Currently, I have 5 students training in my garage (20x20). Being part of >the Atlanta Metro Area, I am saturated with commercial schools, even our >little town of 3,400 has 4 schools within a 6 mile radius of my home. I >have considered some local churches, but the majority of them have beautiful >gyms and exercise rooms, for churchwide activities only, and of course the >mantra that for rent activities must yield to church functions when there is >a scheduling conflict. Research of fitness centers and YMCA's in the area >has been about the same. Based on your experiences or opinions which option >would you pursue and why? > >A. status quo. A heart felt garage dojang, adding times and days as needed >to handle a max of 20-25 students, but with no overhead. > >B. Slow growth. Sub-lease space/time from a nearby traditional Hapkido >School if available. > >C. Modest expansion. Increase efforts to find a club/gym to sub-lease >space. > >D. Financial risk. Negotiate a lease (about $12-$18/sf/yr) for 800 to 1200 >SF store front with visibilty and driveby traffic. > >Look forward to any comments including direct emails ( mojakwan@yahoo.com ). > >Yours in Jung Do, > >Charles Richards >Moja Kwan TSD > > > Sir, My own school in the Denver, Colorado area (a HUGELY saturated martial arts market) has been around for over 20 years. I've been with the school for about the past 15 years. We have been part of a Parks and recreation district for all that time. We currently have three "schools" in the nearby area. One meets in a local church and is part of the youth ministry. Another is geared just to very young children and uses a recreation facility for its once a week class. The main school that meets three times a weeks uses a local elementary school gym for two classes and the rec. building for Saturday AM class. The church and rec. district do not charge rent. They figure that the space was being unused anyway. We pay a very small fee to the school district for the use of the gym. It is only $10.00 per hour and we used it 6 hours per week. We are at the mercy of the school district (no holiday classes and we have to find another location during the summer) but we have worked hard with the local school staff it make it work. It happened that my own children went to the school and I worked hard on PTA and other projects as a trade off. The interesting thing is that my kids haven't gone there in a couple of years and we have almost all new staff. They still like us. Good politics, I guess. You might check with the local schools to see if they would accommodate you. If you have any questions feel free to email be directly. Regards Robert Martin b.martin3@home.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:26:05 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: WTF / ITF > >> What form would it take? > > > >Like the AAU's TKD pgm? > > What would that do to the USTU? The AAU TKD pgm is a Class B member of the USTU. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:27:24 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #719 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.