From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #720 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 19 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 720 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Kido Hae Seminar-Chicago the_dojang: Re: Mats the_dojang: Re: sour grapes the_dojang: teaching more than one style the_dojang: Re: Law Suit/Testing Colored Belts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #719 the_dojang: Re: Garage Bands the_dojang: Testing the_dojang: Stretching the_dojang: Weapons the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1280 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:51:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kido Hae Seminar-Chicago When: February 24 & 25, 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. Where: "Chicago District Park", Horner Park, 2741 West Montrose, Ave, Chicago, Ill, 60618, (312) 742-7572 Conducted by: Grandmaster Suh In Sun, Chairman, Korea Kido Hae For further information contact: Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster Int'l ChoSonDo Fed 7252 Valley Ave Phila., PA 19128 215-483-5057 Master Randy Stigall American Martial Arts Academy 29 N. Cass Ave Westmont, IL 60559 630-964-0801 Master Dan Pinkowski 4004 N. Campbell Valparaiso, Ind. 46385 219-465-6380 ------------------------------ From: "M R" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:58:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mats Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:28:26 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: sour grapes > >From: Ray Terry >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 10:27:01 PST >Subject: the_dojang: sour grapes > >> I must have missed something. What happened in Sydney? > >Nothing to worry about. Just some that never liked sport TKD continue to >not like sport TKD. IMHO. > Its like beach volleyball. I only liked it when the girls played and I AM NOT SEXIST! There were rumors that Athens wasn't going to include TKD next time but I think that was just rumors. It also seems that there may be some rule changes comming down that should make olympic TKD more interesting - comments, Master S. >I predict the ITF as an organization will splinter and fall apart shortly >after Major General Choi (Ret) passes on. > An all to real possibility that many of us in the ITF see happening. It may not even take his death. He is planing to retire next summer and the ITF may not make it past that date. The age old problem of giant egos is again rearing its ugly head in the martial arts community. Already, it is possible to see factions trying to take control. Also, many of the "old" master and Grand Masters let left in the early 70's and early 80's have come back or are trying to. One wonders about their motives. Choi Hong Hi, as one would expect, is welcomming them back. This is creating hard feelings with many of the people who stuck by him. Ultimately, Gen. Choi may get his wish and see TKD re-united -- under the direction of the Kukkiwon and WTF. Guess I should get my USTU application sent in. >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Regards Robert Martin the ITF guy being honest ------------------------------ From: HwarangTSD@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:25:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: teaching more than one style in our program it is simple because i actually set the time aside for tkd and for hkd. there is some overlap over sourse to assist individuals in learning about the other art, however, the emphasis is on the specialties of the art. hapkido class emphasizes the various types of hoshinsul, baygi, danjun ho hub, etc. tkd class emphasizes the basics of a tkd class, kyrugi, etc. this is the approach i have found to be useful for me, but i am open to other information if it is available. frank ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:16:10 CST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Law Suit/Testing Colored Belts >------------------------------ >From: Ray Terry >Subject: the_dojang: Seminole Tribe Files Lawsuit >WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Nov. 10 - Leaders of Florida's >Seminole tribe filed suit today in federal court, * * * snip * * * >------------------------------ Mr. Terry, this was absolutely hilarious. Thank you! >------------------------------ > >From: Olivos@aol.com >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:23:13 EST >Subject: the_dojang: testing color belts > >I need some guidance. My master has asked me to help him test the color >belts >and I was wondering what points I should consider when I'm taking notes or >making observations. * * * snip * * * >At the same time, I was wondering what kind of programs/schedule do schools >do when testing childrens color belts. * * * snip * * * >Betty >1st Dan >------------------------------ Ms. Betty: IMO, you already know what to look for. How do you train? How do you teach? These are the kinds of things you will be looking for. We have two different ways of doing things in our school. In our grandmaster's school, there are enough students that all juniors (below 16) and seniors (16+) are tested separately. Colored belt testings always start on Saturday mornings at 10:30 with the juniors going first. They are broken into groups of relatively similar rank, but exactly what ranks are put together depends on how many of each rank there are that particular day. We usually start in the middle of the ranks and work down so the beginners do not have to go first and so the highest ranked group can go last and really be critiqued thoroughly. The junior testing usually runs until around 12:30 or 1:00, depending on the number of students and how well they do (or don't do). After all juniors have tested, then senior testing follows. There is usually a smaller number of seniors and they are also usually mixed between hapkido and taekwondo. How those groups are run also depends on what ranks and which art is represented that afternoon. The most recent testing, everyone was run together in a big group for the beginning and then split into the two arts for later portions. Time is heavily dependant on how many people are testing. Our testings in our local school run kind of the same. However, they are on Friday nights, seniors and juniors test together, and we do not have hapkido testings here. (Those are in our GM's school only.) We still group the students by ranks. Our local testings usually run about an hour and a half to two hours. Hope this is interesting. Just wanted to do my part to add to the chatter. :) Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:32:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #719 I have some experience with running a dojang out of a gym. It is not good. We have been running our school there for about 7 years. There are several issues. 1. The mindset of the average gym goer is not the same as the average MA. This makes it difficult to recruit and retain students. 2. You may have low overhead, but the gym still wants to make a profit. You should hear the complaints about our program losing money when there is no overhead (instructors work out of loyalty to Sabumnim), but there are dobok sales, sparring equipment sales, test fees, etc. 3. The gym must be willing to market you outside the gym. In a very short time, you will have every person in the gym that wants to study MA. Then what? There are no new people to bring in, unless you are marketed outside, to MA types. If you would like to discuss it further, please e-mail me. Sorry about the long post. Neal C. Modest expansion. Increase efforts to find a club/gym to sub-lease space. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:37:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Garage Bands May I ask why you're starting your own kwan? It's just that it seems to me that there way too many mini-styles popping up lately. ~Daniel > >From: "hununpa" >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:07:43 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Garage Bands > >In an effort to pick-up the chatter... > >On the anniversary of MDK (November 13th) I officially started teaching >Tang >Soo Do after a pause to change careers, buy our first home, and father my >firstborn (son that is). During that period I did a lot of research, and >continued my training in the korean martial arts. My first revelation is >that my wife and I should start our own organization, Moja Kwan. I can >truly say nothing is more rewarding than having your family enjoy the >martial arts with you! Here's my question for the list.... >Currently, I have 5 students training in my garage (20x20). Being part of >the Atlanta Metro Area, I am saturated with commercial schools, even our >little town of 3,400 has 4 schools within a 6 mile radius of my home. I >have considered some local churches, but the majority of them have >beautiful >gyms and exercise rooms, for churchwide activities only, and of course the >mantra that for rent activities must yield to church functions when there >is >a scheduling conflict. Research of fitness centers and YMCA's in the area >has been about the same. Based on your experiences or opinions which >option >would you pursue and why? > >A. status quo. A heart felt garage dojang, adding times and days as >needed >to handle a max of 20-25 students, but with no overhead. > >B. Slow growth. Sub-lease space/time from a nearby traditional Hapkido >School if available. > >C. Modest expansion. Increase efforts to find a club/gym to sub-lease >space. > >D. Financial risk. Negotiate a lease (about $12-$18/sf/yr) for 800 to >1200 >SF store front with visibilty and driveby traffic. > >Look forward to any comments including direct emails ( mojakwan@yahoo.com >). > >Yours in Jung Do, > >Charles Richards >Moja Kwan TSD > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 02:33:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Testing Betty asks: > I need some guidance. My master has asked me to help him test the color belts > and I was wondering what points I should consider when I'm taking notes or > making observations. Many Masters ask their Black Belts to sit in on testing in order to help them (their Black Belts) develop a "critical eye". This is great training for you, and you should take full advantage of this wonderful opportunity. If you can see mistakes, it makes it easier for you to learn from them and apply the newfound knowledge to your own training. I always ask my students to look for whatever will most improve the ability of the student you are testing. Since a great deal of information may be too much to handle for the student being tested anyways, try to make YOUR observation concise and valuable to the progress of the student. In closing, I am sure that your Master will have a pretty good idea of the ability of the students you will be asked to test anyway, so don't worry about it too much. Do the very best you can, and your help will be appreciated (it will do YOU a world of good as well). Good luck. Sincerely, Rudy, Sa Ja Nim ------------------------------ From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:36:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Stretching Hello all, all this talk about doing splits has got me thinking about stretching. Anything I write on this subject is solely my own opinion and may cause you pain! Stretch kicks ,front,back side, roundhouse like, work wonders for me, far better than any form of static stretching. When doing splits I find it helpful to "move" when I get into position. By "move" I mean bob, weave, bounce etc., not huge movements but small rotations of the upper body in all directions. I know everyone says don't bounce but it works for ME, gentle movements in a natural, relaxed manner is far easier on my body then sitting in one position for prolonged periods. Put on some tunes, and tune out with your stretch. Sitting upright in a full split can be difficult, but gentle rotations of the upper body helps to loosen and strengthen things up. I find that when it comes to stretching you need to find your own way, and find what works for you. To reach your fullest potential you would need to stretch for hours each day, my advice is don't measure your progress in degrees, measure it in your personal growth and in your kicking ability. I can kick WAY over my head (6 1/2-7 ft high) but I can't do a full split, you figure it out? Just my experience, hope it sparks your thoughts. Chris. ------------------------------ From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 04:59:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Weapons As winter traps me indoors I often try to make weapons that will hold up to serious use and wanted to pass on the latest info I had. For training on trees (dead) I have discovered that chrome-moly steel tubing makes great dan bongs, bongs, nunchaku, tonfa etc. It seem to hold up well but is easy to cut, drill, etc. It is light weight but tough. The only drawback is I guess it can be a little expensive. I have also found that copper pipe is great for making a more normal strength weapon, it is cheap, easy to work and it looks great and transfers your energy, or heat well. After a few minutes in your hand if really feels like it is an extension of our body. This copper pipe would make a great handle to a sword or other weapon as it feels great and is easy to hold on to, IMO. If anybody has some input or ideas about making weapons I would love to here them. Chris ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 7:42:44 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #720 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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