From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 20 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 723 In this issue: the_dojang: 3's in Korea the_dojang: Re: Sydney and Lawsuits the_dojang: Re: splits the_dojang: Bags the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #720 the_dojang: Re: weapons thread the_dojang: Update the_dojang: Re: "pressing" moves the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1280 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:48:15 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: 3's in Korea During this year's European Han Mu Do seminar, Dr. He-Young Kimm explained to us in great detail the importance of the number three in Korean culture as well as it's importance in the philosophy and techniques of Han Mu Do. He explained to us how the body is broken down into nine points for self-defense: feet (1) knees (2) hips (3), hands (1) elbows (2) shoulders (3), upper-chest (1) waist (2) lower-abdominal (3) The (1's) are points of contact, (2's) are for direction, (3's) are for power. When all points are used in harmony, along with ki, you can deliver a devastating blow with maximum power. Each rank requirement in Han Mu Do is broken down into series which are multiples of three, i.e.; 6, 9, 12. We were taught the nine directions of movement and why our uniform is divided into three parts(pants=earth, shirt=heaven, and belt=man). Do Ju Nim Kimm went "on-and-on" breaking everything down into 3's...It was the first time in all of my years of training that someone had broken down what I was doing to it's very last compound. It's truly an honor and a privilege to have the opportunity to get this first-hand information from the "Founder." Our Dan ranking also has three level's; So Sun Bi Nim (1-3), Jong Sun Bi Nim (4-6), Dae Sun Bi Nim (7-9). Forgive me if I spelled something wrong (I don't have my book with me). Do Ju Nim Kimm is the only person who can award a black belt, therefore we don't have that problem of who can award which Dan-level. Han... So Sun Bi Nim, Gordon 2-sends... Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 06:46:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sydney and Lawsuits ConcordTKD wrote: << After the games there are a number of law suits in the WTF regarding the selection of national teams, who was allowed/certified to compete, and I heard rumblings about restraint of trade. >> Any idea who brought the lawsuits and where? Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: james joseph case Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: splits > to the floor, meanwhile their hips remain upright. What I always tell my > students is to try to "roll the hips forward" while keeping the back > straight. Excellent advice, certainly. But my question is what do you tell these students when the shape of their body naturally puts all of their weight behind their balance point? Think of a triangle with the point down. This basically represents your pelvis when viewed from the side. The down-point represents your sit-bones and the top points represent your iliac crest and the rest of the top of the pelvis. The weight of your upper body rests on the top/flat part of the triangle as you sit on the point. If you can get the top of the triangle to lean slightly toward the feet, the weight of the upper body will naturally help tilt the pelvis ("roll the hips") forward. But if the natural position of the triangle has the top leaning away from the feet, the triangle/pelvis will want to tils that way even more since that is the way the triangle wants to fall. So until you can find a way to get your pelvis/triangle pointing straight up or forward, your weight will always be on the back side of your sit bones and you see the hunch. The crucial point is right at that center point when the triangle is upright. After that, you aren't fighting your own weight to stretch. I would like to know how to reach that point. James ------------------------------ From: "Gordon, Robert E Mr IACH" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:10:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Bags Hello list, Just thinking about getting a double ended bag or small heavy bag to go in a room in my house,(carpeted room), any suggestions of round verses cylinder type double ended, vinyl vs. leather or canvas, size and weight preferences, large vs. small. Also any good sources or unique stand alone double ended bag holders or multi bag systems? I am even interested in home made solutions you have come up with. Thanks, Robert Gordon, CRES Equipment Management Branch Irwin Army Community Hospital 600 Caisson Hill Rd. Ft. Riley, KS 66442 Phone 785 239 7215 Fax 785 239 7211 ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:46:06 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 Dear Charles: Some time back on another Net there was an interesting string regarding how it is that so many MA seem to have trouble getting their family members, friends and significant others to understand the attraction of MA as a lifestyle. I wish that I might have had your letter during that discussion. I know the information that you are looking for and to answer your question, up front, go with the status quo and let the school grow itself. Now in the matter of sharing the MA I will also say that you apparently have a very narrow view of the definition of "sharing". Any one of the life changes that you reported in your contribution would be enough to make most families crumble. The combination of a career change, having a child and starting a new business has been more than enough to make most relationships dissolve. Whatismore, that new life you brought into the world is not an inanimate object but a baby which will grow into a small child whose need for attention and parenting, trust me, you have sorely underestimated. In the coming months you will find occasion to use the development of your new business as a rationale for abdicating greater and greater amounts of responsibility for developing your relationship with both your child and its mother. In traditional Hapkido we train to become warriors, but being a warrior is quite a bit more than becoming adept at giving and taking violence. It is also understanding, compassion, sacrifice, perseverance and tolerance, among other qualities. Honestly, I don't know from TSD and I certainly don't know your background. I am sure some aspect of TSD reflects Hapkido in character development. But the fact that you are starting your own school without the mentoring of an established Kwan, and such that you are turning to complete strangers on the Internet for suggestions on guiding principles which needed to be established long ago suggests to me that you are in over your head and your priorities are much in need of attention. I strongly recommend that you hold where you are at until the dust settles some. The life you respect may be your own. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:12:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #720 Dear Chris: I caught your contribution in #720 and had some thoughts on the weapons you are talking about. While I am not sure what your goals are for making the weapons it sounds as though you might want to reconsider the material you have in mind. Actually in traditional MA weapons, mass, center-of-gravity, and even degradation have a role in not only use but construction as well. I noticed that you have a special concern for durability and certainly one would not want a weapon to come apart on usage from the start. However, "light" strong material is not always desirable as in the case of the dan bong (short stick) and jang bong (staff). Your spear work could probably get away with the C-M material you mentioned but more so from the aspect of Japanese biomechanic ( greater degree of thrusting) than with Korean techniques which carry a heavier Chinese (circular) influence. This probably becomes most clear in watching the use of the glave or halberd (Chinese: Quan do; Japanese: Naginata; Korean: Cresent Sword) Along these lines your mention of ton fa also supposes a use of mass to facilitate effective use and the same goes for nunchuka. The challenge of using both these weapons comes from learning to manage the velocity and mass of the weapon while using it offensively and defensively. (Review the scene from ENTER THE DRAGON and note that Mr. Lee never had to deal with recoil and recovery in any of his strikes. One of the perks of Hollywood fight scenes.) You may find taking the time to work original materials such as red or white oak or hickory more satisfying than just drilling a couple or holes on some C-M tubing and knowing its just a cheap substitute for the real thing. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: yotony@rmi.net Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:11:42 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: weapons thread Forgive my ignorance -- what is a bong? what is a danbong? ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:13:22 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Update Everyone, I have received almost all of the Biodata forms and am busily entering them into our baseline. Starting this evening, I'll start sending out the tailored programs for you to see. At this point, we need to connect again to make sure that what I send out reflects your current conditions(physical, training, and schedule) and objectives. To let you know, we have a group in excess of 20 right now which is considered significant enough for publication. This is great and I'm looking forward to it. By the way, though my wife and I currently perform these workouts/exercises as part of our training regime we're going to follow the same methods and controls as you. That way, we'll know first hand what you are experiencing. Regards, David Reed ------------------------------ From: Jerry Lynde Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:03:27 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: "pressing" moves At 09:06 PM 11/17/2000, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: >From: Dave Weller >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:39:08 -0600 >Subject: the_dojang: Light Traffic > >I have a question for the group. >I am curious about "pressing" moves in Tae Kwon Do Poomse. >For example the first movements forward in Taebeck Poomse where the >hand rotates slowly as if moving something that is resisting. >(forgive me if I describe this poorly as I am just learning this >form). What is the application for these motions ? If you also mean the joon-bi position entered into during Yuk, I was told that the move was by way of a challenge, as well as a summoning of Ki. Also, the hammer fists at he beginning of Taeguk Ojong were said to be like that. A challenge as opposed to a strike... so alleged a black belt during poomsae one night. I like the idea... it makes the form more dynamic and gives an opportunity to show some real raw intensity in the form....which is (I was told) a major point of the forms. Besides, it's more fun/rewarding that way. my $.02 Jer ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:09:43 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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