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The_Dojang-Digest            Tues, 21 Nov 2000         Vol 07 : Num 724

In this issue:

       the_dojang: More on Marathon Mats
       the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723
       the_dojang: Charles & Bruce
       the_dojang: Re: bags
       the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won Question
       the_dojang: Punching
       the_dojang: Three
       the_dojang: Re: bong and danbong
       the_dojang: what is a bong? what is a danbong?  
       the_dojang: hip flexor injury
       the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723
       the_dojang: .
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From: Ken McDonough <maganda44@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:46:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: More on Marathon Mats

I am responding to both public and private requests on information to
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:09:26 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723

bong is a stick to korean martial arts practtitioners, and a dan bong is a 
short stick... commonly used in Hapkido and a couple of other arts....

now if you were to ask a flower child, you might receive a slightly different 
answer... hehe (j/k no need to flame me:) )

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From: "Mac" <Master.McHenry@USA.net>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:43:25 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: Charles & Bruce

Bruce to Charles:
<<Some time back on another Net there was an interesting string regarding
how
it is that so many MA seem to have trouble getting their family members,
friends and significant others to understand the attraction of MA as a
lifestyle. I wish that I might have had your letter during that
discussion.>>

This is very true.  Although my wife completely understands and supports
me, she herself isn't interested in training.  My children are old enough
now to train with me and we enjoy it all together.

<<I know the information that you are looking for and to answer your
question,
up front, go with the status quo and let the school grow itself.>>

I would tend to agree here too.  I mostly helped others get their schools
started and assisted them.  I hadn't really ever thought about doing it
myself.  I had a few people I worked with beg me to teach them.  I
eventually began teaching private lessons out of my garage too.  I really
enjoy teaching more one-on-one, as that was the main way I was taught.

I taught several years this way.  Usually either 1 day a week for 3 hours
(or more), or two 1.5 to 2 hr. classes during the week.  This was because I
too had a new baby not long after I began teaching, and I was balancing
work, wife, and children along with the private lessons.  I liked having
about 4 students at a time.

A neighbor was walking by one night while I was teaching in my garage and
mentioned a local Gymnastics academy was looking for another instructor.  I
thought about it and looked into it with an associate.  I was only willing
to commit to 2 nights a week, sometimes 3.  My associate taught the other
few nights.  He dropped out after a time and I took both classes and merged
them into one.  Its worked out, I've been with the Gym for over 7 years.
My class size is usually between 10-20.  Just right for me, as I don't make
a living from teaching and enjoy the closeness of the smaller class size.

Again this was a great situation, because just like in my garage, I had no
overhead.  I get a percentage of what the Gym charges, so I'm never in the
hole.  The extra income pays for my habit - uniforms, equipment, seminars,
tournaments, motorcycle <g>, etc.  My children come to class with me and
seem to really enjoy it. It gives us something special to do together.  It
gives my wife a break too.

<<Now in the matter of sharing the MA I will also say that you apparently
have
a very narrow view of the definition of "sharing". Any one of the life
changes that you reported in your contribution would be enough to make most
families crumble. The combination of a career change, having a child and
starting a new business has been more than enough to make most
relationships
dissolve.>>

Absolutely.  If your significant other shares the same passion, there's not
as much a problem.

<<In the coming months you will find occasion to use the development of
your
new business as a rationale for abdicating greater and greater amounts of
responsibility for developing your relationship with both your child and
its
mother. >>

Not in my case, and I've met and spent some time with Charles, and from my
perspective I think he will spend the necessary quality time with his young
son.  I'm lucky in the fact that I have an assistant instructor (> 50 yr.
old 4th Dan) who can take class on nights my kids have something important,
like open house at school etc.  I think it also helps that my kids train
with me.  I also don't neglect my wife, as we've been taking dance lessons
together and several times a month go out on a date to a local club for C&W
dancing (although I hate the music... :-)   Even though I'm a cheep date
(no cover, $1 drinks) we have a great time and enjoy doing this together.
Learning dance steps reminds me some of training in martial arts.

<<In traditional Hapkido we train to become warriors, but being a warrior
is
quite a bit more than becoming adept at giving and taking violence. It is
also understanding, compassion, sacrifice, perseverance and tolerance,
among
other qualities.>>

Yes sir, absolutely.

<<But the fact that you are starting your own school without the
mentoring of an established Kwan, and such that you are turning to complete
strangers on the Internet for suggestions on guiding principles which
needed
to be established long ago suggests to me that you are in over your head
and
your priorities are much in need of attention. >>

I believe he has trained for some years under a major TSD organization, but
is now more independent.  His "kwan" was more of just his personal school
name and personal philosophies than actually trying to start another TSD
branch style.  IMHO.  But this is how others styles began, and I personally
see no problems with it.  To each is own.  He's not pretending to be Moo
Duk Kwan, so following his own path and naming it so and not trying to
pretend it represents something else is commendable.

Great comments Mr. Sims.  Good luck Master Richards.

Yours in the arts,
   Mac

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From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:03:27 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: bags

In a message dated 11/20/00 12:47:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:

> Hello list,
> Just thinking about getting a double ended bag or small heavy bag to go in a
> room in my house,(carpeted room), any suggestions of round verses cylinder
> type double ended, vinyl vs. leather or canvas, size and weight preferences,
> large vs. small. Also any good sources or unique stand alone double ended
> bag holders or multi bag systems? I am even interested in home made
> solutions you have come up with.
> Thanks,


i would suggest www.ringside.com
melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.chajonshim.com

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From: "Rich" <rich@rgoater.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:25:08 -0000
Subject: the_dojang: Kuk Sool Won Question

Hi all

I was just wondering if any one has any views on Kuk Sool Won. I'm due to
start lessons next week and from what I've seen, it's a VERY comprehensive
system and seems similar to Hapkido (weapons, joint locks, throws, kicks,
sweeps, grappling etc...)

Although I have heard that it's made up of several different systems and is
not therefore a martial art in it's own right?

Any views would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

Rich

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From: RumNCoke220@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:23:13 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Punching

I am a Kuk Sool stylist, but I have been exposed to some other arts and I 
have a question about the difference between punching with the fist in a 
vertical versus horizontal position.  In my limited kickboxing training, my 
instructor told me only to punch with the fist in a horizontal position (like 
a boxer) because it creates more snap and the corkscrewing action can open 
cuts (obviously a competition consideration only).  I have trained a handful 
of times with Wing Chun stylists and they like to punch with the fist in a 
vertical position.  I am interested in anyone's opinion on their preference, 
but I am more interested in the reasoning behind the vertically positioned 
punch.  Just so we're on the same page, when I say vertically positioned 
punch, I mean the fist is traveling forward and striking with the knuckles, 
but the hammerfist portion of the fist is pointing straight at the ground.  
I'm always looking for the reasoning behind differences in styles...

Any input is appreciated,
John

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From: "Patrick L" <musashi1953@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:26:00 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Three

Was I the only one that enjoyed the irony on the following statements, both 
appearing in the same issue?

>"The number also figures prominently in folks belief.  For example, when a 
>son is born, the kumjul, or 'forbidding rope' hung across the gate of the 
>house, is decorated with three red peppers and three pieces of charcoal."<

>It was explained to me that 9, being the square of three, was the most 
>logical highest rank in martial arts.<

From peppers and charcoal to logic ?!? ... I offer my observation with 
respect, without malice to authors or cultures.

Getting in the Way,

Patrick
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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:30:02 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: bong and danbong

I
<< Forgive my ignorance -- what is a bong? what is a danbong?  >>

Bong is stick, often staff is called bong, where jangbong is more proper 
being long stick for a staff.

Danbong is the short stick or baton

Alain

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From: YMCATKD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:44:45 EST
Subject: the_dojang: what is a bong? what is a danbong?  

<< Forgive my ignorance -- what is a bong? what is a danbong?>>

A Bong is a staff or stick and a Dan Bong is a short staff or stick.

Andy

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From: Janet Moore <jmoore@agfa.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 06:03:26 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: hip flexor injury

I'm new to the sport of Tae Kwon Do but not new to physical fitness.
However, since I'm not yet used to kicking with high intensity I have
injured my hip flexor.  Anyone have any ideas on helping that area to
heal and to strengthen it once it has healed?  Thanks.

J Moore



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From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" <Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:40:57 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #723

Dear Tony: 

Traditional Korean Mudo usually follows a progression of weaponry which
often was ordered according to some progression of biomechanic,  cosmology,
or perhaps only the training goals of a particular kwan. With the MA
diaspora of the 70-s and 80-s quite a bit has been lost or substituted for.
TKD and TSD schools often teach nunchukas and tonfa and may routinely
substitute Okinawan or Japanese staff Form (kata) for traditional Korean
Form (hyung). There are also rather humorous adaptations of weapons use
including use of the short (12") stick (dan bong), Chang Bong (36") and cane
to counter sword attacks. Though I do not speak Korean, I am given to
believe that practitioners of this latter art are called "amputees". There
is also the Jang Bong (staff) which I have found to be defined as a staff as
short as 6 feet and as long as 10 feet.  One other dying art is the matter
of belt or rope techniques which, even when they are found are usually of
the snaring or entraping variety. Though there is some evidence to support
the use of some locking and pinning techniques to support the use of rope
for binding (hey, now theres' an idea) I have been hard pressed to find a
traditional Korean school that still teaches such. 

Best Wishes, 
Bruce W Sims 
www.midwesthapkido.com <http://www.midwesthapkido.com>   

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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 6:50:50 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .


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