From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #726 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 726 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 the_dojang: Mr. Sims the_dojang: Re: Kuk Sool Won [none] the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 the_dojang: Sad news the_dojang: Three the_dojang: Poh Bahk Sool the_dojang: RE: V#725, Rope Techniques/Kuk Sool Won the_dojang: Re: splits the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1280 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:05:24 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 <> If I am not mistaken that would have been Sifu Benny Meng. He is an outstanding ving Tsun (Wing Chun) practioner. Being a personal student of Moy Yat. Any study of the system or with Sifu Meng will bring about great revelations. Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:56:24 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 This is great! I didn't realize there was still so much work still being done with rope techniques! Still, I notice that much of this work concerns the use of the rope or belt for blocking, snaring, or throwing. I had originally commented on another Net regarding the use of particular Hapkido techniques which allow the defender to overcome and restrain an attacker while keeping the defenders' hands free. These are very similar (though not as numerous) as the similar techniques found in Daito-ryu. When I asked about this as a potential situation in which binding the attacker might be used the only resource to be cited was Sensei Angiers' three works on Hojo-jitsu (binding techniques). I find it difficult to believe that a martial tradition such as that in Korea would not have comparable techniques for battlefield restraint. Not that this is the only thin spot I have found. There is also the matter of fewer and fewer schools offering offensive/defensive knife technique (though some have substituted short sword or even Japanese tanto-jitsu). Is this a liability thing or is this just another case of Masters and Grandmasters holding techniques very close? Good discussion, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Mac, ABCXYZ" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:28:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Mr. Sims < >> Mr. Sims, what the heck do all those letters behind your name mean? Mac ------------------------------ From: RumNCoke220@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:30:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kuk Sool Won Rich: I have been training in Kuk Sool Won for about 5 years now and I love it. I've had gym memberships, home exercise equipment of every kind, and trained (although not extensively by any means) in other styles, and nothing has held my interest like kuk sool. Like you said, it's one night forms, next night techniques, next night weapons, sparring... It's always something different and it keeps the training fresh even for someone like me who becomes bored quickly. As for it being made up of several different styles, it seems that every martial art out there has several stories, legends, and myths regarding its creation, and kuk sool is no exception. The one I've heard the most commonly is that Grandmaster Suh, In Hyuk traveled extensively and trained with many different masters, and took everything he learned and organized it into what is now kuk sool. Anyways, it's a great style. Have fun with it. By the way, what area is your school in? I'm in Northern California. John ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:32:39 -0800 Subject: [none] Chris, >Perhaps you should move from logic to peppers and charcoal. Just a thought.< I appreciate your points, but they are not in contrast with the observation I was enjoying i.e. the Western flavor and analysis of an Eastern cultural phenomenon. To quote a line from Close Encounters "This means something". Getting in the Way, Patrick _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:58:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #725 In a message dated 11/21/2000 12:25:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << We still have short stick, long stick, sword, rope/belt, cane, etc. training in Sin Moo Hapkido, at the Dan levels... >> As do we, in Jang Mu Hapkido. Dying arts? Harder to find, perhaps, but still very much alive. ds ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:55:29 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Sad news Dear Friends, on last weekend we entered the Polish GTF TKD Championships on the special invitation by their president. The tournament was fun and despite being WTF based, we took several medals. One of the schools we competed against was "Orient" from Czestochowa. The fights were hard, and we were glad we won majority of them. One day later, we learned that the "Orient" team had a car crash while going back home. Apparently, the driver felt asleep. One girl was killed and other one is in a hospital. Her state is critical. Several other persons were injuried. Regardless of the style and affiliation, say a prayer if you are religious, offer a good thought if you are not, and slow down a bit. Don`t let anyone write such a post about you or your students. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:59:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Three Question: > What gets me are 10th degree black belts in Korean Martial Arts. It was > explained to me that 9, being the square of three, was the most logical > highest rank in martial arts. Anybody else heard this? The art I returned to teach (the old Kuk Sool Hap Ki Do) has ninth dahn as its highest rank. From personal observations of some of the Grand Masters I have come to know over the past 50 years, the 10th dahn came along about the same time as the Supreme Grand Master. It is unfortunate to see great and meaningful traditions fall by the wayside just to outdo others for the sake of attaining higher status. Only the naive can thus be fooled. While I'm at it, in the old days, it was acceptable for a Master to grant rank to a student two dahn grades below his own. Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:14:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Poh Bahk Sool Master Simms comments: > One other dying art is the matter > of belt or rope techniques which, even when they are found are usually of > the snaring or entraping variety. Though there is some evidence to support > the use of some locking and pinning techniques to support the use of rope > for binding (hey, now theres' an idea) I have been hard pressed to find a > traditional Korean school that still teaches such. At the risk of sounding ancient, I still teach Poh Bahk Sool as well as the whole range of Bong Sool. In fact, I recently did a seminar on the rope/belt techniques in Ottawa, and it was well received. Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:50:13 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: RE: V#725, Rope Techniques/Kuk Sool Won Rope Techniques: In Han Mu Do, rope techniques are learned at the 4th Dan level. I think they are pretty cool, but damn hard to do correctly. Kuk Sool Won: Dr. He-Young Kimm studied and mastered many different "Korean" martial arts: Yudo; Bi Sool; Hapkido; Kuk Sool; Tae Kyun; Kum Do; Ship Phal Ke; and Zen. From 1968-1978, he served as the President of the American Hapkido Association. By 1981, Dr. Kimm was serving as the Secretary General of the World Kuk Sool Association. With the encouragement of Suh In-hyuk, the founder of Kuk Sool, and Ji Han-Jae, the founder of modern Hapkido, Dr. Kimm organized his own style of Korean martial arts called Han Mu Do. He was told that for him to progress any further, he needed to organize his own style. "Han Mu Do" means "Korean Martial Arts." Does all of this mean I've been tricked, and the activity I have been dedicating most of my off-duty time to is not a "martial art" in it's own right? I DON'T THINK SO...HOMMIE DON'T PLAY DAT! It was all summed up best by Frank... ***insert*** "imho, focus on what you learn, and apply it. if you enjoy it, keep it up. if you do not, find something else. frank" Well put Frank...Han So Sun Bi Nim, Gordon2-sends... Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: "Miguel" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:39:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: splits > From: james joseph case > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) > Subject: the_dojang: Re: splits ... > that is the way the triangle wants to fall. So until you can find a way > to get your pelvis/triangle pointing straight up or forward, your weight > will always be on the back side of your sit bones and you see the hunch. ... Disclaimer: I am not a Dr. and only offer advise from personal experience and observation. James, your description is good. The think you should think through is what (mechanically) is keeping the hips from tilting forward. At the base of the triangle you have the joint socket that attaches the legs to the hips. It is a ball-socket type of fitting (now I sound like a mechanic). First, the ligaments that keep these two bones together are what prevents the triangle from tilting forward, unless you have a structural problem with the hip. That is why folks recommend that the quads, hams and adductors be stretched. Second, there is a point in that hip to leg joint relationship where bone to bone contact will prevent the outward movement of the leg. If you can envision, the top of the hip overhangs the socket and the leg joint is turned in a '7' shape so the ball can fit in the socket. To attempt a split while standing and keeping all of these pieces aligned as we normally stand would causes the top part of the '7' in the femur to jamb against the protruding hip bone over the socket. So it is important to either tilt the hip forward or turn the toes outward. Better yet follow this link. http://www.stadion.com/column_stretch2.html Hoping this helps. Keep stretching. Miguel Garcia's Tae Kwon Do www.garciatkd.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 6:57:06 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #726 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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