From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #728 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 728 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 the_dojang: Punching the_dojang: Mac & Bruce :-) the_dojang: Rope Techniques the_dojang: New Hapkido book by Tedeschi... the_dojang: Korea's martial tradition the_dojang: 'Korean' martial arts the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TSDTiger@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:55:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #718 To my Brother Charles Richards, It is good to see your name again amongst the ranks of active schools. I am also pleased to finally be able to identify you as what you have been to me and my family since we first met, Sah Bum Nim. I look forward to many more years of training with you my friend. May the Fates be kind to you and your family. Yours in Jung Do, Joe Clarke Pathway Martial Arts USKMAF ------------------------------ From: "hununpa" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:25:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Punching <> Some years back, I remember an article that researched the effect of twisting the punch and the ki hap. Force meters were used, and the same adept player was used. Twisting the hand yielded no measurable increase in force. Adding the ki hap added something like 50% more measurable force. According to this article all other factors remained controlled.... Thus, I find three reasons to twist the punching hand to horizontal. 1. Your instructor told you that your Kwan executes punching this way (particularly in hyungs). 2. You are engaged with bare knuckles and truly wish to cut the opponent. 3. It's the easiest way to line up the index and middle finger knuckle with the target (like boards with the grain held horizontal). << I have trained a handful of times with Wing Chun stylists and they like to punch with the fist in a vertical position. I am interested in anyone's opinion on their preference, but I am more interested in the reasoning behind the vertically positioned punch.>> I prefer this method or the "steering wheel grip" position because 1. Unlike the horizontal punch which twists the radius and ulna, the radius and ulna are closer to stacked, making the forearm like a pair of rods instead of a cable (which would you rather thrust with?). 2. Economy of motion, although not much, there is less net motion/energy for the same striking force. My $0.02 worth, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "hununpa" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:59:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Mac & Bruce :-) Dear Master Mac. Your prose demonstrates again why I am honored to call you my senior in our "kwan"/family of USKMAF (www.hapkido.com) instructors. My intial thoughts for a reply would not have been as P.C. as your factual response. Dear Bruce, Thank you for your candid and direct response. I've read some of your other posts and enjoyed "getting to know you" via the web. I am pleased to see that everyone on the list received the value of varied opions. Dear Digest, My question on garage schools was posed to generate some "chatter." I had decided to pursue option "A" (before I posted my question), growth in the garage dojang as it alllows my wife and I to be one room away from our son and his baby sitter while she and I train together. Like Master Mac, I'm sure by the time we "bust out of the garage" the right situation will be available with more square footage. Each option has it's own advantages and challenges, and I hope I drew some experiences out from the senior members on the list. Further, I am certainly not suggesting that any new Yu dan ja go rushing out to start a dojang or kwan with-out the mentoring of a Ko dan ja. I am truly thankfull to the hand full of Grandmasters, Masters, and dedicated instructors who have guided me over the last 15 years. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD P.S. Mr. Terry & Master Mac November 13, 1982 was the date of the Charter Convention of the World Tang Soo Do Association, guided by Kwan Jang Shin, Jae Chul. I had that date confused with November 9 as the anniversary of MDK. Thanks for setting that straight. _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ From: "hununpa" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:20:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Rope Techniques <> Master Scott Homschek (http://members.home.net/rvtsda/) teaches rope techniques including snapping and whipping strikes. Master James Allison (http://www.hapkidosunmookwan.com/) of the US Hapkido Sun Moo Kwan Federation has taught rope techniques at his seminars. I was fortunate enough to see Dr. Kim, He Young demonstrate some rope techniques, including binding at his 1999 Atlanta Han Mu Do seminar. And as I suspected, and confirmed by DD#725 Master West (www.hapkido.com) teaches rope/belt techniques I understand they are part of most Hap Ki Do Ko Dan Ja requirements, but I have just earned my 4th Gup in Hap Ki Do Sun Moo Kwan, so I have many more concepts to grasp before learning weapons from my Hapkido Sah Bum Nim. FYI, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ From: J Thomas Howard Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:33:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: New Hapkido book by Tedeschi... I just got my copy of the new Hapkido book out there---Marc Tedeschi's "Hapkido: Traditions, Philosophy, Technique." I'll just paste here what I wrote on my web page---I have a page there at http://www.binary.net/thomcat/BookHapkido.shtml that has a listing of Hapkido books with my comments about them---and if anyone has any questions or comments, let me know. Anyone else get a copy yet? Blurb from me below: I finally got my copy of this book yesterday (11/21/00) and I am impressed. This book is one extremely large very nearly complete reference on all aspects of Hapkido. (I say "very nearly" not as a criticism, but in astonishment, simply because this book covers almost all of a HUGE curriculum.) In addition to a HUGE technique reference section, it contains a number of interesting interviews, cool historical pictures, and a number of well-written chapters on many aspects of Hapkido not normally discussed, or written about. Interestingly enough, I would say that out of the three good reference books, this one is the most comprehensive in terms of techniques. Also, the verbal descriptions are the best. Now, one of the ways this book managed to cram in so many techniques are that most are not shown in a sequence of 4-5 pictures each--in general, there is a setup photo, and a finish photo. Thus, while this book is the best reference library for techniques, it isn't necessarily the best teaching aid. The book by Dr. Kimm is perhaps the best at that. However, since you shouldn't be attempting to learn from a book anyway, that doesn't matter very much---what it does is start from techniques you should already know, and then gives variations on them---and from the ending photos and your own knowledge of the basic technique, you can figure out the variations on your own. I will note that this book really isn't for beginners. Of course, none of the three good references are. However, if you are a serious Hapkido practitioner, you should have one of the three---or better yet, all of them. This one ranks right up there with the other two. Best yet---this one is current, new, and in print, and you can get it easily. Also, Amazon has it for an excellent price. (I was happy when I bought a copy. [The other two books I was talking about were Kimm's Hapkido Bible and Myung's Korean Hapkido: Ancient Art of Masters.] Short little blurb---but quite a book, on first general skim. I must admit, thought, I was astonished when in the middle of a large amount of extremely intelligent discourse the common blurb "belts long ago grew darker as each practitioner practiced longer, etc, etc..." Ug. It was strange----the rest of what I read (haven't gone through the whole book yet, just scanned parts here and there) was extremely good. It was weird to see that old myth there. Overall, though, I'd recommend it to anyone who has practiced hapkido for longer than 3 years. Thomas - ------------------------------------ thomcat@binary.net http://www.binary.net/thomcat/ "If you aren't modeling what you are teaching then you are teaching something else." ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:38:08 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Korea's martial tradition Dear Bruce, It is not my intention to be rude. You wrote: > about this as a potential situation in which binding the attacker might be used the only resource to be cited was Sensei Angiers' three works on Hojo-jitsu (binding techniques). I find it difficult to believe that a martial tradition such as that in Korea would not have comparable techniques for battlefield restraint. < Where did you read that Korea had an exemplary military tradition during the last 400 years? After the Imjin waeran (aka Hideyoshi invasion) debacle and the subsequent Manchu invasions, Korea was at peace until the Western imperialists and Japan entered the scene at the end of the 19th century. During the intervening period (and in fact for most of the time prior to the Imjin waeran) Korea has generally been at peace with little need of military prowess. The society was built on civil foundations and learning and knowing military techniques was not a sign of good education. Therefore as far as I can ascertain, if such techniques ever existed in the Silla/Koryo/Choson military then they have long been forgotten. They are not recorded in any period military manual that I know of. The source of Korean belt techniques likely comes from elsewhere... Regards, Andrew ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:46:52 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: 'Korean' martial arts Dear all, No disrespect to Dr. Kimm intended. I think that anyone who can synthesize so many different arts and create a new martial art is to be congratulated and admired. I am, though, interested in the list of 'Korean' martial arts that Gordon lists for Dr Kimm. Yudo - essentially Judo Bi Sool - Haven't heard of this one before. Details anyone? Hapkido - Large sections based on Daito-ryu aki-jujitsu Kuk Sool - synthesis of Hapkido and Praying Mantis Kungfu Tae Kyun - every Korean master must claim this, but where is it reflected in his current teaching? Sip Phal Ke - Chinese martial art Zen - not a martial art but a sect of Buddhism Thanks for the biop Gordon, very interesting. Regards, Andrew ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:40:57 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #728 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.