From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #732 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 25 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 732 In this issue: the_dojang: 9th Dan Re: the_dojang: 9th Dan the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #727 the_dojang: 9th Dan the_dojang: just a heads-up the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1300 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: todd miller Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:08:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: 9th Dan > > What gets me are 10th degree black belts in Korean Martial Arts. It was > explained to me that 9, being the square of three, was the most logical > highest rank in martial arts. Anybody else heard this? This was discussed earlier on this list or another. Every Korean teacher I have had has said 9th dan is the highest in Korean martial arts. The question I have is why are there Koreans and non-Koreans that claim 10th dan ranking? TM Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Assc. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:27:01 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: 9th Dan > > > What gets me are 10th degree black belts in Korean Martial Arts. It was > > explained to me that 9, being the square of three, was the most logical > > highest rank in martial arts. Anybody else heard this? > > This was discussed earlier on this list or another. Every Korean > teacher I have had has said 9th dan is the highest in Korean martial > arts. The question I have is why are there Koreans and non-Koreans that > claim 10th dan ranking? I'd say they were just trying to "keep up with the Joneses". :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ICyrus8528@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:25:03 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #727 Po Bok Sool (Rope tying skills) has its root in Daito Ryu. This is a trademark of Daito Ryu. Some Daito Ryu masters of days gone by emphasized it more than others. Having lived in Japan and Okinawa for over a year as a U.S.Marine, I saw Japanese Police Units use these skills in restraining subjects. I am not quite sure if these skills are actually Korean in origin. I suspect that they ended up in Hapkido due to Doju Choi Yong Sul's Daito Ryu experience. ChoSon Kwon Bup did not historically have these skills. I have added Po Bok Sool to the ChoSon Kwon Bup curiculum due to my Hapkido and Kuk Sool experience. I hope that my two cents worth has helped to clear some things up. Thanks. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster Int'l ChoSonDo Fed. ------------------------------ From: David Reed Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:37:30 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: 9th Dan Dan ranking is Japanese. While the importance of '3s' may have some influence over the customary ranks awarded, the system has never had any particular limits. At one point there were 11th and 12th Dans in the older Japanese arts which used the kyu/Dan system. There are numerous cases of Japanese masters at 10th Dan particularly in Judo. As they invented the system for grading which Korea was forced to adopt, it seems that '3s' is only an attempt to frame in a foreign system with Korean values. I don't disagree with the '3s' concept either. However, the kyu/Dan system was invented to get away from the previous system of titles. It seems Korean martial arts loves to add names and nomenclature; or people love to get a Korean dictionary and call themselves something as well, ending up with the worst of all possible worlds. You don't see this in Japanese martial arts except when non-Japanese break off to found their own systems. Hence the laughable use of "soke" and even "sokeship". If one of those folks actually studied the meaning of ryupa they would be satisfied with Sensei or Sabumnim. So, '3s' and rank mean nothing unless you want to bolster a Japanese ranking system in Korean martial arts. Dan in its original Chinese meaning is limitless and is only a relative term. I would say that having uniform standards for teaching credentials, fitness and training knowledge, age, and maturity are far more important to develop than discussion on Korean numerology. Regards, David ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:28:27 PST Subject: the_dojang: just a heads-up Just a heads-up that the former member, now avowed enemy, of our little discussion forum here is currently hiding behind the email name "KukkiTaekwondo" (among others) to distribute his spam about our forum. Be forewarned... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:32:24 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #732 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.