From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #748 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 4 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 748 In this issue: the_dojang: Coming to America... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #745 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #747 the_dojang: Fwd: Gallatin, Tennessee the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #743 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #746 the_dojang: cut kick the_dojang: Ho from CO the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #747 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smith Gordon SSgt 752MUNSS/SFO Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:59:04 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Coming to America... I am finally leaving this "hole" called Holland and will be back in the "Land of the Big BX" to take some well deserved leave before moving to "Jolly Ole England!" I will be in Chillicothe, Ohio for about three weeks...This is about 45 minutes south of Columbus and 1 hr east of Dayton. I am taking my gear with me, so Let me know if you are close and maybe we can get together and trade secrets. Two of my brother's are on the US National Team (AKJU), so I will be training with them almost everyday while I am home. I was also given permission to demonstrate Han Mu Do at AKJU Headquarters'...Wish me luck! Prior to 11 Dec 00 contact me at (Gordon.Smith@volkel.spangdahlem.af.mil) after 11 Dec 00 contact me at (daddyg28@hotmail.com). Holla at me...Han P.S. This will be my first Demo in front of a very, very, very well seasoned and experienced martial arts crowd...I need some tips from those of you who do this for a living... So Sun Bi Nim, Gordon2-sends... Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:29:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #745 > > > > Whatever happened with the infamous Taekwondo Special Investigations > > Committee? > >wasnt that al cole's thing? i havent heard anything about it since i left >tkd >net ....over a year ago....wow. >mel > >Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply >http://www.chajonshim.com I still have Al's e-mail address if you want to ask him. I have not corresponded with him in a while though. Donna _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:04:35 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #747 Dear Jack: It was great to hear from you. Sorry its taken so long to get back with an answer. I usually respond from work so I don't often get back to the e-mail until Monday - like today. I also want to start by apologizing to you as this response is to a letter you sent to me off-Net. It was not my intention to embarrass but the questions you asked I think are vital to the point that I was making in another contibution. To others on the Net, please excuse this more personal intrusion in to our discussion. I do this only because I think the response I am making is germane to our discussion. Thanks for the encouragement regarding my contributions. My hope is that it encourages people to think "out of the box" where the future of Hapkido is concerned. I am a traditionalist and am very protective of Hapkido. However, I also know that unless Hapkido is busy living then it is actually busy dying. As you can tell I work not to put limits on that growth but for me it takes roughly two major directions. One direction is to affirm the connection modern Korean Mudo has with its heritage. This gets a little sticky sometimes as what some people call "heritage" often gets confused with stories or mythes that have been past along without any real questioning. We need a clear vision of our roots with as little romaticizing as possible. The challenge is that each of us has a romantic side and its really hard to keep that in its place while letting our ideals work their magic, yes? You asked about the comparative natures of Hapkido, Aikido and Daito-ryu and to tell you the truth this is where I feel the Japanese have a big advantage. As I am sure you know, the Korean culture has had a number of periods where the heritage has been sorely damaged. The Japanese traditions have had an advantage in not having had this experience. The result is that excepting the usual rise and falls that hit any culture the Japanese have been able to transmit a more cohesive body of knowledge from generation. Not that its perfect, but there are recorded cases (ie. Katori Shinto Ryu) of arts going for centuries from one master to another. In the case of Daito-ryu Aiki-ju-jitsu (AKA: DRA) the art was eclipsed for a time and resurrected or revivified under OS Takeda. Some DRA practitioners go so far as to suggest there is actually an unbroken line back to the 13th century. I'll leave that for another letter. But there is one other place where I think Hapkido people need to investigate and put their energy. The nature of DRA, as I mentioned in another Net contribution is taught on three levels. Both Aikido and Hapkido share the first level with DRA. SOME Hapkido practitioners and many Aikido practitioners share the second level. I have not met any Aikido or Hapkido people who share the third level of sophistication though if you ever want to waste an evening, get some of these Aikido people talking about the nature of "Ki" and their place in the Cosmos. I am a Hapkido practitioner so I am sure my view is colored, but I think that Hapkido with its practical (pragmatic) approach to MA, exceeds all forms of Aikido, quite possibly with the exception of Yoseikan (OS Mochizuchis' Aiki-Budo). I think what I am finding is that where the Aikido practitioners did not have the information regarding the biomechanics of the 3rd level of sophistication they just sorta filled in with the philisophical equivalent of "well, it's a mystery that only the great might know". B******t. This is where we get to the cutting edge of Hapkido. The trick for we practitioners now is to begin to improve the level of sophistication of our techniques. As they say in the business world, "work smarter, not harder". You can always crank a technique harder to get more pain compliance. However, I understand that some DRA techniques that are similar to those used in Hapkido can be applied or executed with far less energy and to greater effect with the addition of some principle not commonly taught in Hapkido schools and seminars (and in my opinion not learned or forgotten by our current leadership). I think one source of this information is the DRA Roppokai as they are the most open of any organization close to the roots of the DRA tree trunk. There are tapes and books available through BUGEI TRADING Co. and their website (sorry about the spam). I do not think that it is disloyal to our Korean arts to investigate those arts which will help us to better understand and execute our own art. Please know that I am not advocating teaching DRA under the title of Hapkido. However, just about every profession I know has informational exchanges, refresher courses, and think-tank-type organizations which are dedicated to furthering the quality of that profession. Why should we not work to improve the quality of our art if it means a better art to pass to the next generation. Again, I do not mean adding more techniques or weapons, but learning to do what we do right now better, cleaner, more efficiently, more effectively. Oh S**t!! Now you've done it. It's a bad sign when I start to wax eloquent. Let me cut this off for now. Regarding the availability of my books (now including Level 4---Its about damn time!!), I will respond in a separate letter. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Gecko K. Martial Arts" Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:20:56 Subject: the_dojang: Fwd: Gallatin, Tennessee I was sent this plea, If anyone in the area of Gallatin, Tennessee might be willing to help this person please e-mail me and I will connect you. Thnxs, Sandy - ----Original Message Follows---- Dear Sir or Madam, I am looking for Martual Arts but I don't have any money and that are around my area.(Gallatin, Tennessee) Can you help me. Write back soon. Thanks for listening, Lance _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:34:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #743 >From: Ray Terry >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:06:08 PST >Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo Special Investigations Committee ? > >Anyone know.?. > >Whatever happened with the infamous Taekwondo Special Investigations >Committee? > Just out of curiosity, what is so infamous about it? Educate a lady here. Donna _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 09:57:21 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #746 It will be available on the internet from the USTF in the next few days. www.ustf-itf.com Go into the store section. It is only being issued as a private book. It isn't cheap - $80.00US plus shipping. Regards Robert Martin. > > From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand > Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:19:37 +0100 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Choi Hong Hi autobiography > > >Robert Martin wrote: > > > >I just picked up a copy of Choi Hong Hi autobiography. ... The English > >version just arrived in the US in the last > >few days. > > Where can I get it? I couldn't find it on amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com. > > Sincerely, > Anders T. B. > ------------------------------ From: RumNCoke220@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:29:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: cut kick I have heard the term "cut kick" used to describe a taekwondo kick. Can someone describe this kick to me? John ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:59:36 PST Subject: the_dojang: Ho from CO Hello from Colorado... I -think- the email problems that occurred from my system move have now cleared up. But then I thought that a couple of days ago... ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:26:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #747 Dear Ray: I would LOVE to talk about the Journal as it has been a labor of love since about 1990. I have refrained from talking about it as I know there is a terrible suspicion of personalities who promote pet projects specifically for commercial gain. The entire project is built on the premise that Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido (in which I have my roots) is predicated on research to raise the quality of the art. In addition, my PERSONAL contribution to that research effort is to reinstate the position of the student centerstage over both stylistic or commercial concerns. Flipping that over, I also have a tendency to go on forever about things Korean MA. That said let me put some limits on myself so that this does not get regarded as spam and Net-kas don't wind up using a ream of paper to print this off. Three major points regarding the DOCHANG JOURNAL PROJECT. 1.) Purpose and Goals. The project was conceived so as to use a western academic approach to instruct western students in a traditional Korean MA. In this way each of the four levels is predicated on the material of the previous level with the most basic being Level One (White Belt). The work itself is not an exhaustive presentation of all possible applications and permutations of techniques. Rather is it a presentation of approximately 200 fundamental Hapkido techniques including strikes, kicks, locks, chokes etc. categorized according to biomechanic, and taught in progressive levels of sophistication over four levels (so far). Please note that I am not talking about 6 or 10 ways of doing a particular technique but a range of unique techniques which can be investigated in the Hapkido class. The intention is not to teach out of these books, but rather to use them as a resource for organizing material and stimulating discussion with ones' teacher or instructor. A student who completes all four levels should have little trouble going into any Hapkido school and understanding what is being taught and participating effectively (discounting for a minute those unique aspects that make each school or sytle what it is). I share this last because the assumption is made not that a person can learn from a book, but rather that not everyone who might pick-up the book and use its organization may have a Hapkido tradition. 2.) Format: The book is written in a notebook format with spiral binding and ample space for writing notes, mounting pictures - no more writing in little print in the margins- for each of the techniques. The techniques are identified with a code that allows cross referencing of techniques between Levels so there is no confusion regarding what technique is being identified. I have also worked to use names for each of the techniques that give hints as to direction, biomechanic, target or result using everyday English. The whole idea is to provide a study resource that supports retaining material and information, and encourages dialogue with a teacher as well as a place to record the results and impression from that dialogue. Each book seeks to promote the education of the Hapkido practitioner on all four planes of their personality including the body (physical), the mind (intellectual), the feelings (emotional) and the spirit (purpose). But the most important point is that it places the importance on the student and the students' development rather than on the Hapkido organization, the MA itself or the personality involved. I am not looking to start a new style of Hapkido, recruit people to an organization, open a chain of schools or set myself up as "grand poobah". I am a teacher and counselor. I can't kick like S Wallace, or have the size or skill to go K-1. I am a teacher and this is my gift back to the art that has done much for my life, yes? 3.) Future: With the Guep material done, I am now turning to the BB material. Essentially each of the levels 5 through 10 will include a greater level of biomechanical sophistication (techniques done better, not harder) and a weapon to support that higher level of sophistication as well as to integrate with the emptyhand biomechanic. Each level will also follow a deeper investigation of the cultural and ethical underpinnings of a warriors' development within the context of the Korean MA tradition. Of course I can only progress as fast or as far as my own development and research into my art, so don't expect a 3rd BB to be publishing any books on the implications of training for a 5th BB, 'kay? This is a life work and I suppose there is always the possibility I may not live to finish it. By my calculations I will testing for 4th BB in 2004, so I expect that I will probably be testing for 7th in 2025 (I'll be 75, but don't bet the farm that I won't still be out on the mat, kids). I CAN give you a general picture of how things might progress through the levels 5-10. It would sound something like this. 1st BB -- Pressure Points Soh Bong 2nd BB-- Strike Points Dan Bong 3rd BB-- Positions of Disadvantage Cane 4thBB-- Transitions Sword 5thBB-- Interventions Chang Bong 6th BB-- Ancient Studies Knife. In light of our discussion on DRAJJ, let me say that each of the levels also has a "manipulation" subsection and in that I see an opportunity to introduce material from further research to share with the Hapkido population. Now, I'm going to close off 'cause I can go on about this til the Second Coming. Thank you very much giving me a chance to talk about this project. My prayer is that it will be a meaningful contribution to understanding and retaining our traditions. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:07:04 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #748 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.