From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #755 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 7 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 755 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #753 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #753 the_dojang: GM Seo bestowing title the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #754 the_dojang: Testing after Black the_dojang: Student moving to New York the_dojang: Kickin in your sleep & stupid things friends may do [once!] the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "richard hackworth" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:54:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #753 Dear Master Sims, I am amazed at how many people think that it is OK for nearly every Korean instructor in American to claim that they were a former Korean National Champion or that they taught US Special Forces personnel in Vietnam. How about the incredible number of Hapkido Masters who claim to have learned from Koreans during the Vietnam War. Didn't any of these guys actually fight the war? Maybe some of the ICHF claims are exaggerated, but no more than many of the Korean run organizations. Those that claim to be the original martial art of Korea or the oldest martial art in Korea or the martial art of the Korean military, Royal Court and many other ridiculous claims. Maybe I am wrong. But isn't JP certified by the WKF? The WKF has more 8th and 9th dans popping up each year. I know of two people who were 4th or 5th dans 3 years ago but had recent press releases for getting 8th and 9th dan from the Kido Hae. Maybe they are fast learners? Sincerely, Richard Hackworth ------------------------------ From: LenGWhite@cs.com Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:33:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #753 In a message dated 06-Dec-00 2:16:53 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Dan Rank >> Do not think for one minute that Dan Rank is different in this respect to any other type of certification: When I achieved my Private Pilots License the FAA Tester said "This is your license to learn" The same (exactly) comment was made when I achieved my Commercial License. Strangely, Physicians, when they graduate and we start to recognize them, are going into "practice" -- where they start to learn... My own experience at University (in the UK I will add) was that, only once I "graduated" did I start to learn. He who stops learning will quickly be overtaken. Believe it, practice it, or find out the hard way. I am practicing the Martial Arts to "learn" and, should I one day deserve wear a black belt I will be proud to continue to learn, for I know there will ALWAYS be many who can teach me. We were given two ears and one mouth -ahh you have al heard that one before. My respectful input. Len ------------------------------ From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:59:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: GM Seo bestowing title >>In the matter of making "special claims" it is a matter of record that the individual you mentioned has identified himself as a legitimate holder of a extraordinarily high rank sans qualification, suggesting that such rank is a result of study and investment commensurate rather than the courtesy (read also honorary) title that was bestowed by GM Seo. >> What is the purpose of bestowing an honorary title in the Martial Arts? It seems some Korean GM's are quick to give rank and when it's questioned claim the rank was only "honorary". How much to these GM's receive for these promotions? If Combat Hapkido is not Hapkido why is it registered with the Kido Hae as such? If it is only listed as a social club, why would GM Seo allow this kind of confusion? Thanks, Jon David Payne ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 19:21:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #754 >From: Ken Barrett >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 15:45:54 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Dan Rank > >Hi - > >I am an new-bie here, so please pardon any breach of >etiquette. I take the opposite view of many regarding rank >in the martial arts. > >I feel that rank, specifically Dan rank is not something you >give yourself - or should even strive for. Dan rank is >bestowed on you by others as a sign of respect and >recognition of your abilities as well as your contribution >to the art. Because of this, it must be accepted humbly, >and not flaunted or abused. Sweetheart. I already know I will like you. I have the same view and ideas about ranks in the Martial Arts. I heard from someone once say: "If you cannot respect the person, respect the rank." I disagree with that. I feel the person makes the rank. I have to respect them first. To me, if I really honestly do not respect that person, then Sir, Master, Ma'am, and Grandmaster has no meaning behind it for me. In way, my way of showing respect to a person is calling him by his first name. I know I want to be called by mine. I hate surnames. Well, hubby has got my new computer desk assembled for me, so I have to close down so I can move things. Catch ya all on this subject later. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Daremo and Kitsune Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:44:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Testing after Black >From: "Christopher Spiller" >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 00:44:32 -0000 >Subject: the_dojang: Reasons for promoting after 1st dan > > >Very cool. This kind of brings up a point that I have discussed with some > >of the black belts in my school but I'm not certain I have ever come up > >with a completely satisfactory answer. What is the point of going up in > >rank once you reach black belt? Testing after black can also be looked at this way...since the term Chodan (Shodan in Japanese) actually means "first step," you have now shown yourself to be serious about learning your art. All of the techniques that you have learned and can now do only make up about 10% of what your art is truly about. It takes a serious student to look deeper and take the responsibility to learn the material as well as help those who are also on the journey. Robert Frankovich 4th Dan AAU Taekwondo 4th Dan Song Moo Kwan Taekwondo 2nd Dan Seidokan Aikido www.tigerconsulting.org "There's more to balance than not falling over." Michael Angier ------------------------------ From: Brett Kraiger Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:05:21 +1300 Subject: the_dojang: Student moving to New York Hello all, I have a student, 1st Dan, ITF Taekwon-Do, who will be moving to Manhattan early in 2001. We are looking for an ITF school in this area so that she may continue her training. Is anybody able to help me locate a school in this area? Thank you Brett Kraiger Wellington, New Zealand ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:52:28 Subject: the_dojang: Kickin in your sleep & stupid things friends may do [once!] Well. I was going to stay out of this conversation and not comment on Mac's nocturnal habits, BUT...since he brought me in, I will! My wife has often told me I have two things on my mind all the time..... Martial arts being one and the other, well... she often says perhaps martial arts the most. I'd prefer not to think about that one. But, with dreaming often a reflection of what you are thinking, martial arts are often in my dreams. Consequently, I have been known to occasionally kick my wife. From that distance and angle it is never hard. She will often just turn around and place the flat of her [cold] feet above my knees which quickly shuts those kicks down. I do not remember any injuries, so she has not had to kick my butt yet!!! Regarding stupid things non-martial artists may do to you....once. This touches on that reflex spring Charles R. was talking about. Who thinks this is a good idea? Hey, let's jump out and see if we can scare a martial artist!!!! Or, let's just grab them quick and see what happens. Well. I have a little rule that I also tell my students. We were not placed upon this earth and trained to entertain our friends with our training. I always try to temper my reactions to look like very near serious misses (side kick next to nose) and apologize when they pee their pants. "Please don't do that again, I could have seriously hurt you!" Or, for grabs, I do a Hapkido technique and make it hurt a "little." Again, "I'm sorry, please don't startle me like that." They have a story and a lesson, never touching or jumping out on you again. Done correctly, the light of respect goes on in their eyes and you don't have to deal with this type of obnoxious behavior again. I've found if you do a slow, no pain response, they are always what iffing you. The solution for the jerk that you go out with that announces to the entire bar that you are a black belt so leave you alone, well, why are you out with them at all!!?? And "I" of course, never go out and tell those macho guys that my 5'6" wife could "take them." Dana _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 6:35:09 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #755 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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