From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #758 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 8 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 758 In this issue: the_dojang: climbing mountains the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #756 the_dojang: Controlling the dream the_dojang: RESPECT the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #757 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #757 the_dojang: Re: Grades / Respect the_dojang: Re: On kicking one's spouse in one's sleep the_dojang: Re: Chon tu? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "donna galster" Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:08:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: climbing mountains From: bwoodard@mortonsalt.com Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:42:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Black Belt Rank >Our Grandmaster told us one day after testing the following: >Begin paraphrase...... When you are a white belt you begin a journey or >climb up >a mountain. All you can see at white belt is this "mountain". At each >level >(read belt level) the terrain is getting more and more challenging and >steep. >........end paraphrase. >I only wish I had a tape recording of that. He said it much more >eloquently than I did. Actually Brian, I read it in a magazine or newsletter last year. He is not the author of that story. In fact, did I not mention this on here once last year? I think it was one of our federation officers who put the story in our newsletter. Now, do you know the meaning of the story? It means that no matter how high you climb, there will always be a new mountain, a new challenge to be faced. Some days your instructor will be there to help you, and other times you will have to find the answers on your own. The day you stop climbing will be the day you face the final mountain of your journey. The day all questions will be answered. Donna (also a dirty brown belt.) http://www.cuttingedge.net/~pdgalst/donna.html _____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:18:49 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #756 >Donna, I have to gently disagree with you here. The person that you may not >respect received that rank through hard work and perseverance ( so they may >have come up through a McDojang... do we know for sure what their path has >been? ). They were also awarded that rank by persons holding higher ranks >than they... do we now feel no respect for them? Personally I know some >higher ranks that I think act like jackasses, but I believe I still owe them >the respect their rank deserves. They've put a lot more into the art than >I have, so they've earned the respect in that regard. As for first names, I >think if you truly respect a person you'll take the trouble to discover >what _they_ consider respectful, not expect them to be honored by your >individual approach. I know I have to be called Ma'am by someone in the do-jang that is lower ranked than me. I will accept that. But,do not call me Mrs. Galster. I could never get used to that surtitle. But, when it comes to Masters and Grandmasters and First Dans and up, I call them that even if I have to. It does not mean I would not like to call some of them something else, like "hello Master A*&**@*." I do have one in my ex-federation I would just looovve to say that to right now. He is being one. I have lost all respect for that man. But, out of respect for my instructor and all others that I happen to like there I will be nice and do as they ask. Does not mean I cannot think it though. I would have to honestly answer if he ever asked me if I respect him "no" though. I will not lie to him. Donna _____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "donna galster" Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 19:30:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Controlling the dream >Oddly enough, she's a Martial Artist herself, but hasn't subjected me to >any >nocturnal abuse. From Donna's contribution I guess we can conclude its not >a gender-related thing..maybe some of us are just more prone to acting out? In a way, not gender related. It could have berived from a bad day. Lingering over past hurts all day or just had too much stress. I know I still have bad dreams, but as far as I know I have not lashed out lately. I do control my dreams though. I used to wake up in cold sweats all the time because I kept on dreaming I was going over a cliff in a car. I control the dream and allow myself to remain calm and go with the car all the way to the bottom. I am not hurt now in my dream. I try to control the dream to make a bad dream turn into a good one or I dream I change the channel to a better show. I know one thing, I will not read ghost stories before I go to bed anymore. I read "Haunted Wisconsin" once and drempt a gnome was sitting on P's face. I was frozen in fear and according to P, I was whining in my sleep. I love the book, but it is a daytime book. Shoulda seen the time when I thought Josh, (member of ma-list) sent me a fireball. That musta been a dream too. Donna Donna _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: LAHapkido@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:32:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: RESPECT Good post and to the point. Thank You Mr Reed. Dan Rogers ------------------------------ From: "richard hackworth" Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:21:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #757 What Americans have received 8th or 9th dan from KKW through the USTU? None that I know of. I heard of one guy claiming 8th KKW in Florida, but when I asked the International Director at KKW, Kim, Byong Won, he just gave me a puzzled look and shook his head No. ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:09:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #757 In a message dated 12/7/00 7:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Once again the amazing dogma of Hapkido comes out and the attacks on the splinter group of Combat Hapkido hit the air once again. :) >> You would think they would be glad he calls it Combat Hapkido. I teach taekwondo, the real kind :), taekwondo for the street and I am very glad other schools in the area call theirs Olympic Taekwondo. I am not a big fan of Olympic TKD and am glad that they choose to differentiate between Real TKD and Olympic Style. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:32:41 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Grades / Respect Donna: >> I heard from someone once say: "If you cannot respect the person, respect >> the rank." I disagree with that. I feel >> >> the person makes the rank. I have to respect them first. To me, if I >> really >> honestly do not respect that person, then Sir, Master, Ma'am, and >> Grandmaster has no meaning behind it for me. Kerry: > Donna, I have to gently disagree with you here. The person that you may > not respect received that rank through hard work and perseverance ( so > they may have come up through a McDojang... do we know for sure what their > path has been? ). Me: A TKD master I know once said: "there are only two types of martial arts instructors, those who demand respect and those who earn it". I met several 9th, 8th, 6th 5th and other Dans during my MA "career". They have all my respect as my seniors, but some of them don`t have any as people. One of the TKD instructors I respect most has only a 2nd Dan. I recognise their dedication, achievements etc. but I would never go sailing on a two persons boat with some of the high graded people I know. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Daniel G." Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 01:55:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: On kicking one's spouse in one's sleep LOL, this thread would make a great addition to that list of "ways to tell you've been in the MA too long". So many people "coming out of the closet", & here I thought I was the only one. Occasionally I wake up to the sensation of my foot swinging forward, without remembering what preceded it. Fortunately, I haven't connected with anything yet, though I did manage to pull a muscle somehow by trying to swing my leg out while it was tangled up in my blanket. I can just imagine the headlines after reading the stories below: KARATE EXPERT HOSPITALIZES WIFE Says he slept through the incident; police are skeptical ~Daniel >Hi Folks, > >Great new topic! I've done this sort of stuff several times: > >1. While fighting an enormous sumo guy in my sleep, I suddenly > realized I was stopping my kicks one inch away, so I followed > through with my side kick and broke the wooden box at the > base of our bed. > >2. In another dream battle, I unleashed a flurry of front kicks > and flying front kicks upon my opponent. In reality, I front > kicked my wife in the butt about six times and pushed her > off the bed. > >3. With a front kick, I knocked over the fan next to our bed in another > episode. > >4. The most dangerous one was when I awoke after hammerfisting > the bed about an inch away from my wife's head. She was not > amused. She hasn't made us get separate beds yet, but another > incident like that last one and she just might! > >Hai ya! > >Dakin Burdick >burdickd@indiana.edu _____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:19:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chon tu? In a message dated 12/7/00 8:08:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > This is the simple fact of why it is > named Combat Hapkido (Chon Tu Kwan Hapkido ) > When did it start being called "Chon Tu" ? Ive never seen it called that... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 6:31:34 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #758 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.