From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #761 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 8 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 761 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 the_dojang: Ray's TV habits the_dojang: RE: GM Sell the_dojang: HKD orgs the_dojang: Re: Master Pak the_dojang: RE: Your Government in Action the_dojang: Master Yong Chin Pak the_dojang: www.hackworth.??? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 the_dojang: Why? the_dojang: having it all the_dojang: talkative ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:18:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 Yes, the KHA is still around The president is Hwang Duk Kyu a student of Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae from andong DoJang he is one of the first students of master Ji. Hal ------------------------------ From: "richard hackworth" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:18:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 Jeremy. You can find out more about my training background by going to www.kmaia.qpg.com thanks for the fan mail. You may also check out www.hackworth.com and www.hackworth.org ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:27:35 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Ray's TV habits >Funny... > >I was recently watching a rerun from the CHiPs TV show and there standing >behind 'Ponch' was Rorian Gracie. He was an extra that was in-frame for >about 10 or 15 seconds and then moved off camera, stage right. > >I wonder if 'Ponch and John' learned any GJJ from him? :) > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Come on, Ray, CHiP's? Everyone knows that the best show for martial arts skills was "STAR TREK" (the original, of course). There's nothing like a Capt. Kirk two-hands-clasped-together-smack-on-the-shoulder to demonstrate the acme of MA skill. Now THAT is something no one would want to mess with (even the Gracies or the ICHF folks ;-). Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:13:13 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: GM Sell < Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:17:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #759 GM Ed Sell is not the only American in Florida claiming to have an 8th Dan KKW. And my question was, and still is "Are there any American USTU members that have been promoted to 8th or 9th Dan?" I am well aware of who GM Sell is. We are friends and both of us are members of ChungDoKwan. Unless he has said otherwise. If our relationship has changed since our last conversation, I would like for him to tell me about it directly. That way I am not getting second hand information. Best Regards, Richard Hackworth>> Well having lived in Florida myself I know of no other that makes such a claim. If you wish to give me the name in private I would greatly appreciate it. A quick note based on Kukkiwon's own database There is only 1 non Korean or Korean/American 8th Dan (GM Sell) and there are no 9th Dans. Now as far as American USTU members are you refering to American Citizens or non asian Americans? Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:21:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: HKD orgs Bruce wrote: >International Hapkido Fed- IHF (GM Myung, Jae-num) can easily be confused >with the International Hapkido Fed -- IHF--(From GM Choi through GM Ji to GM >Han, Bong-soo). Boy, this just gets better and better, doesn't it? You'll >have to excuse me now, I have this overpowering craving for a bowl of >alphabet soup. Not to mention the International Hapkido Federation of James Benko. I think the IHF of GM Myung was renamed the International Hankido Federation some years back before his death. I *think* his son (who took it over) has renamed it to something else now -- anybody know? It doesn't help that the same Korean term is used for association and federation in keeping all this straight ... David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:29:29 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Pak >From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" >Shaun - Yes it is the Yong Chin Pak of ISU. And I know of GM Suk ki Shin ( >he processed my 3rd Dan Kukkiwon paper work Back in 1992) Where are you now >? > >You know it is the funny thing that people seem to attack my affiliation >with GM Pellegrini and assume my skills must suck. Then the find out that I >was with GM Pak for almost 15 years then the thoughts change. But the real >ammusing thing is that then never judge my skills based on my skills just >their perception of my affiliation. Stupid World isn't it :) > >Michael Rowe I am in Newton, IA, about an hour from Ames. Actually, my wife (and her whole family) went to ISU and I spent a great deal of time in Ames when she was there. I have never had the good fortune to train with Master Pak but he is very nice and I have heard great things about him. Regarding your skills and affiliations, I guess I wouldn't worry about what "people" think about your skills. What matters is what you and your students and your master/grandmaster/whomever think. Worrying about what "people" think will give you an ulcer or a trip to the looney bin. You know where you're at and what your strengths and weaknesses are. Train hard and don't worry about it. IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:34:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Your Government in Action "...Fake masters, fake certs, bad voting. Is it the ocean air? ....." Dear Jeremy: In light of our current election circumstances, I think you raise some very valid points. Perhaps we should take a closer look at such things. If kwang Jang Nims' seal is off-set so as to print one side more heavily than the other can one actually say that the seal is valid? Does the absence of part of the impression or uneven pressure suggest that He had reservations or misgivings regarding the promotion? Would not it be prudent to have each and every certificate in the Florida area manually reviewed by teams comprised of one ITF and one WTF member as well as two impartial individuals only one of whom need be a martial artist? Of course, each questionable certificate would need to be thrown out, though the individual would have the right to press for review with an oversite from an appeals court of their district. However, as one can never fully discount the possibility of certificate tampering and the chance that it might produce a result not intended by the KJ Nim, we must reserve the right to formulate a venue for approaching the US Supreme Court. Democracy. Ya gotta love it. Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:42:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Master Yong Chin Pak Sometimes I'm amazed at how much of an effect Master Pak has had on the growth of martial arts through the US. But then I think of how much of a difference he made in my life (my first MA training was with him at ISU back in '83). CPR training, cross-training seminars, free rape seminars, scholarships for deserving people who happen to be martial artists, etc; Master Pak is the perfect example as far as leadership and service of upper rank. For anyone who doesn't know, Master Pak has taught TKD, HKD, and Judo at Iowa State University since back in the 70's ('73?). He's been President of the National Collegate Taekwondo Association many times, and taught perhaps 15,000 students. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:22:54 PST Subject: the_dojang: www.hackworth.??? > Jeremy. You can find out more about my training background by going to > www.kmaia.qpg.com thanks for the fan mail. You may also check out > www.hackworth.com and www.hackworth.org Dr. Hackworth, Those last two do not seem to be related to you. The first is the website of Col. David H. Hackworth (any relation?) and the second is that of the Hackworth family here in San Jose, CA. ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:17:52 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 "You would think they would be glad he calls it Combat Hapkido. I teach taekwondo, the real kind :), taekwondo for the street and I am very glad other schools in the area call theirs Olympic Taekwondo. I am not a big fan of Olympic TKD and am glad that they choose to differentiate between Real TKD and Olympic Style." "First of all, I'd love to know exactly what encompasses "real" TKD. Second, the statement seems to imply that Olympic Style TKD is somehow watered down, and/or less legitimate than the "real" stuff...again, not quite sure how "real" TKD is defined." I can help with some of this. Real Taekwon-Do is a martial art started by General Choi and is practiced by the ITF. Olympic style TKD is based on the rules of the WTF which by their own admission is not a martial art but a sport. "Olympic" sport TKD is a watered down version of Taekwon-Do. When you look at street fighting there is a artical in a recent issue of TKD times that was writed by a construction worker in NY in which he found that most real worl street fight knock out were deliverd by TKD trained fighters. You are correct a fight is a fight and anything goes but real Taekwon-Do is a martial art and has all of the techneques needed to properly defend your self in a real fight. Please don't confuse WTF sport style with the ITF martial art. John Murphy A-3-756 ITF TKD ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:22:00 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #760 Wow, Craig, what a reply! but you seem to have missed my tongue in cheek satire indicated by the :). gary pieratt In a message dated 12/8/00 1:59:48 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:14:19 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: "Real" TKD for the Street? CKCtaekwon wrote: "You would think they would be glad he calls it Combat Hapkido. I teach taekwondo, the real kind :), taekwondo for the street and I am very glad other schools in the area call theirs Olympic Taekwondo. I am not a big fan of Olympic TKD and am glad that they choose to differentiate between Real TKD and Olympic Style." First of all, I'd love to know exactly what encompasses "real" TKD. Second, the statement seems to imply that Olympic Style TKD is somehow watered down, >> New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:47:21 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Why? PSN Sims writes: > I'm wondering why these rather > large Korean MA organizations do not band together to provide reduced > insurance premiums for their schools, establish 1st Aid and CPR criteria for > rank advancement I made the suggestion of Insurance etc. to a large organization years ago. I was lucky to come away with my head on my shoulders for making frivolous suggestions. After all, this is an expense you can't take to the bank. BTW, walking out the door with the 2K now requires testing only a few students (depending on the rank tested for). Incidentally, did you also know it is no longer necessary for the Grand Master to see the test. Apparently this can now be done from the office while counting the 2K. As far as CPR and First-Aid are concerned. I strongly suggest that school owners not wait for their association to demand this. It is a simple case of self-protection. In my school, you must show proof of valid certification in both BEFORE you are allowed to test for BB. I make this demand to help protect my Black Belts from possible negligence suits. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:01:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: having it all > Wow, Craig, what a reply! but you seem to have missed my tongue in cheek > satire indicated by the :). But he made a lot of excellent points. IMHO, a great post! And the points were true for ANY style of TKD. Yes, I do TKD and did TSD, but I have augmented that with wrestling, Judo, Hapkido, Eskrima, muay Thai, tactical firearms training, etc. None of the TKD systems contain all that one needs. Few systems, if any, contain all that one needs, IMHO. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:03:23 PST Subject: the_dojang: talkative My, my... Aren't we a talkative bunch today... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #761 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.