From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #767 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 11 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 767 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #765 the_dojang: Re: NHA the_dojang: Time Til Effectiveness the_dojang: TV martial arts the_dojang: on my Honor the_dojang: RE: Every style has it's + and - the_dojang: list down ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:19:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #765 In a message dated 12/10/00 12:54:25 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Shame on you both!! Are your memories so short that you have forgotten the MA expertise (or lack thereof) of Hans Solo the MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E.? And what about SECRET AGENT MAN? >> don't forget the Wild Wild West. gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:18:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: NHA In a message dated 12/10/2000 1:54:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Curriculum guidelines are available and the specific techniques are taught at the annual camp and seminars. You may order the guidelines by contacting the headquarters at 407-654-0555. White belt through black belt material can be taught in a two day seminar at you location or you can attend events in your region. Instructors who want private training may schedule weekend training sessions at the headquarters for a modest fee. >> Where is the United States NHA headquarters located? Where is the list of events in other regions? White belt through black belt taught in two days?! And to think of all the unnecessary years I spent in training for my first dan...... ;-) DS ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:00:17 EST Subject: the_dojang: Time Til Effectiveness David writes: << For example, if you had an average student in their 20's, 5'10" 160lb of average mental and physical makeup, how long till they could hold their own against a motivated attacker with the same makeup; how long till they could handle a larger, faster, more skilled, or armed opponent; how long till they could handle multiple attackers, special environments like ice or sudden darkness/light, etc? >> It depends on the following factors: 1) How passionate the student is about learning 2) How many classes they are able to attend weekly and how often they practice 3) Whether they are up on all their required reading and understand it 4) How well they interact and can learn from their specific instructor (and whether that instructor's teaching style/methods are optimum for that person) 5) That person's own inhibitions against violence, limitations of self confidence and confines of ethics/morality/social conditioning that dictate their actions 6) The student's real life experience and familiarity with violence 7) How much of their training reflects the exact self defense situation they find themselves in. 8) Whether their training teaches them 500 techniques or 10 techniques and 50 concepts with which to adapt those techniques. 9) How aware that person is of their environment and pre-violence indicators and whether they act on them 10) Their ferocity in fighting and desire to live. Could probably think of more but I lack time. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. of Waltham, MA www.GuardUp.com www.guardup.com/martial_arts_htm/cd.htm Interactive Assault Prevention CDROM "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:43:47 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: TV martial arts Dear all, Shame on you, how could you forget that the first Avenger female lead was Diana Rigg as Emma Peel. The first couple of series with her were excellent. Despite the lack of special effects or colour they came up with excellent plots which put the X-Files to shame. Diana Rigg also There was another show I remember from my 'youf' where the the heroes had all learned secret techniques from a Tibetan Buddhist temple (including gopher throwing techniques?). The series was 'The Persuaders'? Andrew ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:51:30 PST Subject: the_dojang: on my Honor > Shame on you, how could you forget that the first Avenger female lead > was Diana Rigg as Emma Peel. The first couple of series with her were > excellent. Diana Rigg joined Patrick Macnee as his third full-time parter on the Avengers after Honor Blackman left the series in 1964 to make Goldfinger. Honor joined the series in 1962. Steed's first partner was police surgeon Dr. David Keel (Ian Hendry). Then came two seasons of anthropologist Mrs./Dr. Catherine Gale (Honor). No, I don't really remember all this trivia, I looked it up... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:14:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Every style has it's + and - Andy, Regarding your post "Every style has its + & --"...bravo for a great post...I agree with much of what you say at least in spirit. However, you ended with a comment that I can't help but address...not for the sake of argument, but perhaps to inspire some additional thought. You write: "As for the latest fade of Brazian Jujitsu.....we as martial artists shouldnot strive to copy everthing that comes out but train in our own style." First of all, I respect those who are loyal to their particular style or a particular instructor as long as that loyalty doesn't interfere with the individuals long-term development. Loyalty is a healthy trait in the proper perspective...no doubt about it. Now having said that, I can't help but address the idea of "our own style". I'll be quite honest with you. The only reason I got inolved in TKD to begin with is because I wanted to study martial arts, and the only available school at that time taught TKD. Even if I had had a more diverse selection...who's to say I would have ended up at a Wing Chun academy as opposed to a TKD dojang. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the only reason most of us carry the battle flag of a particular "style" is because we just happened to end up associating ourselves with that "style" due to geographic constraints or some other limiting factor. Even given the dreamland scenario of unlimited choice, how many of us knew enough about martial arts prior to joining a school that would have allowed us to make an intelligent choice as to what kind of "stylist" we were going to become? I often joke with some of my friends who happen to be hardline fundamentalist Christians over the fact that they would have made great Muslims had they grown up in Tehran...unfortunately some of them don't share my love of irony:) Why in the world would you impose the self-limiting paradigm of "not copying everything that comes out"? Now, I'm not suggesting that you go out and try to learn everything that's available...the practical limitations of that undertaking are quite apparent. But the simple fact of the matter is that there is NO better time to be a martial artist than right now. There is SO much information out there in the form of literature, multimedia, and training opportunities as compared to just a few short years ago. Why limit yourself to one "style" when there is so much to learn that will help you grow not only as a "martial artist", but, more importantly...as an individual? The most damaging limitations are the ones that we impose on ourselves. Your development as an individual can NEVER be entrusted with a guru, sifu, sensei, or master...that task can only entrusted with you. Once you've bought into the paradigm of "style", I believe you've entrusted that task with the former...IMHO. Again, nothing wrong with loyalty...but it must be approached with caution. "Breach the walls of tradition and authority. Free yourself from the conditioning that oppresses your mind" Krishnamurti Good luck with your training, and thanks for sharing your excellent post. _____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 6:42:19 PST Subject: the_dojang: list down The list will be slow to down for the next three days. I'm locked up in an out of town meeting until Thursday. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #767 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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