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Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #767
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The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 11 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 767
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #765
the_dojang: Re: NHA
the_dojang: Time Til Effectiveness
the_dojang: TV martial arts
the_dojang: on my Honor
the_dojang: RE: Every style has it's + and -
the_dojang: list down
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:19:23 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #765
In a message dated 12/10/00 12:54:25 PM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< Shame on you both!! Are your memories so short that you have forgotten the
MA expertise (or lack thereof) of Hans Solo the MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E.? And
what about SECRET AGENT MAN?
>>
don't forget the Wild Wild West.
gary
New CKC Web Page
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From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:18:07 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: NHA
In a message dated 12/10/2000 1:54:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< Curriculum guidelines are available and the specific techniques
are taught at the annual camp and seminars. You may order the guidelines by
contacting the headquarters at 407-654-0555. White belt through black belt
material can be taught in a two day seminar at you location or you can
attend events in your region.
Instructors who want private training may schedule weekend training
sessions at the headquarters for a modest fee.
>>
Where is the United States NHA headquarters located? Where is the list of
events in other regions?
White belt through black belt taught in two days?! And to think of all the
unnecessary years I spent in training for my first dan...... ;-)
DS
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From: TaoArt@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:00:17 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Time Til Effectiveness
David writes:
<< For example, if you had an average student in their 20's, 5'10" 160lb of
average mental and physical makeup, how long till they could hold their
own against a motivated attacker with the same makeup; how long till
they could handle a larger, faster, more skilled, or armed opponent; how
long till they could handle multiple attackers, special environments
like ice or sudden darkness/light, etc? >>
It depends on the following factors:
1) How passionate the student is about learning
2) How many classes they are able to attend weekly and how often they
practice
3) Whether they are up on all their required reading and understand it
4) How well they interact and can learn from their specific instructor (and
whether that instructor's teaching style/methods are optimum for that person)
5) That person's own inhibitions against violence, limitations of self
confidence and confines of ethics/morality/social conditioning that dictate
their actions
6) The student's real life experience and familiarity with violence
7) How much of their training reflects the exact self defense situation they
find themselves in.
8) Whether their training teaches them 500 techniques or 10 techniques and
50 concepts with which to adapt those techniques.
9) How aware that person is of their environment and pre-violence indicators
and whether they act on them
10) Their ferocity in fighting and desire to live.
Could probably think of more but I lack time.
Meghan Gardner
Guard Up, Inc. of Waltham, MA
www.GuardUp.com
www.guardup.com/martial_arts_htm/cd.htm Interactive Assault Prevention CDROM
"Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me
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From: Andrew Pratt
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:43:47 +0900
Subject: the_dojang: TV martial arts
Dear all,
Shame on you, how could you forget that the first Avenger female lead
was Diana Rigg as Emma Peel. The first couple of series with her were
excellent. Despite the lack of special effects or colour they came up
with excellent plots which put the X-Files to shame. Diana Rigg also
There was another show I remember from my 'youf' where the the heroes
had all learned secret techniques from a Tibetan Buddhist temple
(including gopher throwing techniques?). The series was 'The
Persuaders'?
Andrew
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:51:30 PST
Subject: the_dojang: on my Honor
> Shame on you, how could you forget that the first Avenger female lead
> was Diana Rigg as Emma Peel. The first couple of series with her were
> excellent.
Diana Rigg joined Patrick Macnee as his third full-time parter on the
Avengers after Honor Blackman left the series in 1964 to make Goldfinger.
Honor joined the series in 1962. Steed's first partner was police surgeon
Dr. David Keel (Ian Hendry). Then came two seasons of anthropologist
Mrs./Dr. Catherine Gale (Honor).
No, I don't really remember all this trivia, I looked it up... :)
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: "Craig Stovall"
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:14:20 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Every style has it's + and -
Andy,
Regarding your post "Every style has its + & --"...bravo for a great
post...I agree with much of what you say at least in spirit. However, you
ended with a comment that I can't help but address...not for the sake of
argument, but perhaps to inspire some additional thought.
You write:
"As for the latest fade of Brazian Jujitsu.....we as martial artists
shouldnot strive to copy everthing that comes out but train in our own
style."
First of all, I respect those who are loyal to their particular style or a
particular instructor as long as that loyalty doesn't interfere with the
individuals long-term development. Loyalty is a healthy trait in the proper
perspective...no doubt about it. Now having said that, I can't help but
address the idea of "our own style". I'll be quite honest with you. The
only reason I got inolved in TKD to begin with is because I wanted to study
martial arts, and the only available school at that time taught TKD. Even
if I had had a more diverse selection...who's to say I would have ended up
at a Wing Chun academy as opposed to a TKD dojang. I guess the point I'm
trying to make is that the only reason most of us carry the battle flag of a
particular "style" is because we just happened to end up associating
ourselves with that "style" due to geographic constraints or some other
limiting factor. Even given the dreamland scenario of unlimited choice, how
many of us knew enough about martial arts prior to joining a school that
would have allowed us to make an intelligent choice as to what kind of
"stylist" we were going to become? I often joke with some of my friends who
happen to be hardline fundamentalist Christians over the fact that they
would have made great Muslims had they grown up in Tehran...unfortunately
some of them don't share my love of irony:)
Why in the world would you impose the self-limiting paradigm of "not copying
everything that comes out"? Now, I'm not suggesting that you go out and try
to learn everything that's available...the practical limitations of that
undertaking are quite apparent. But the simple fact of the matter is that
there is NO better time to be a martial artist than right now. There is SO
much information out there in the form of literature, multimedia, and
training opportunities as compared to just a few short years ago. Why limit
yourself to one "style" when there is so much to learn that will help you
grow not only as a "martial artist", but, more importantly...as an
individual? The most damaging limitations are the ones that we impose on
ourselves. Your development as an individual can NEVER be entrusted with a
guru, sifu, sensei, or master...that task can only entrusted with you. Once
you've bought into the paradigm of "style", I believe you've entrusted that
task with the former...IMHO. Again, nothing wrong with loyalty...but it
must be approached with caution.
"Breach the walls of tradition and authority. Free yourself from the
conditioning that oppresses your mind" Krishnamurti
Good luck with your training, and thanks for sharing your excellent post.
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 6:42:19 PST
Subject: the_dojang: list down
The list will be slow to down for the next three days. I'm locked up in
an out of town meeting until Thursday.
Ray Terry
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