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The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 13 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 769
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: More thoughts on the pluses and minuses
the_dojang: multiple attackers
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: Re: Kidohae & KHF
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: Fees
the_dojang: RE:So lets take a look at this
the_dojang: RE: KiDoHae: Getting Involved
the_dojang: Re:multiple attackers
the_dojang: RE: GM Han, Bong Soo
the_dojang: Re: The Avengers, etc.
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: Re: Big Ken sez thanks to you Mr. CS
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: Mr. Spock's pressure points
the_dojang: Re: TDK Times Street Fighting
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:49:44 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
In a message dated 12/12/00 9:31:31 PM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< BTW: I had forgotten about WILD,WILD,WEST >>
still on the tube on Saturday mornings.
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: "Craig Stovall"
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:13:36 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: More thoughts on the pluses and minuses
Richard you wrote:
"Because you practice onestyle does not mean you are ignorant of the rest."
I agree...but that's not what I'm saying.
"There are already far to many"jacks of all trades and masters of none" out
there who threw a little ofthis and a little of that in and came out with
basically nothing becausethey had not truly learned how to use any of it."
Again, I'm not suggesting that a thousand techniques sampled are better than
a few mastered. However, if being well-rounded and educated is wrong, then
I don't want to be right.
"Understanding what youhave learned in your own style and how to apply it
against different stylesis what I believe is the important part of
training."
No, I just can't jive with that line. Let's look at the language you
use..."your own style"..."different styles". Again, we're dealing with the
paradigm of "style". I'll make the same challenge to you that I made to
Andy...how did you become a particular "stylist" or affiliated with a
certain "style"? I have no problem with people saying "I practice the
fill-in-the-blank style". Nothing wrong with that. Now, when someone says,
"Well, I'm a fill-in-the-blank stylist and I've come to the conclusion that
in order to be an effective martial artist I've got to dedicate myself
completely to fill-in-the-blank style to the exclusion of everything else".
I'm sorry...I just can't agree with that, and I probably never will...but I
respect your decision to live by that code if you so choose. I imagine that
your perception is something like this...dedication to a single style will
lead to mastery that in turn will lead to higher performance. My perception
is that dedication to a single style is a self-imposed limitation that
potentially prevents one from experiencing knowledge that can lead to
profound personal development...and personal development supersedes any
style, system, master, or guru.
Making the decision that "I will only do THIS", is tantamount to saying "I
will never do THAT". Why impose that limitation? Who taught you that?
Sorry, but I like freedom of choice, and am confident that no single style,
system, or master has a monopoly on the "truth". Good luck with your chosen
path...I hope it leads you to whatever it is that you seek.
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From: TaoArt@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:34:42 EST
Subject: the_dojang: multiple attackers
Craig writes:
<< In regards to the issue of multiple attackers, the simple answer is never.
IMHO, the ability to deal with multiple attackers is one of those merry
myths that is perpetuated throughout the martial arts world. These days I
have to be careful not to drink beverages when reading martial arts
magazines. BTW, I thought Meghan's response to your question was
pretty darned good. Kudos to her for highlighting the psychological
dynamics, and motivating factors that go a long way in answering this type of
question.
_________________________________________________________ >>
First, thank you for your kind words. I have significant training in self
defense and plenty of real life experiences (a young scrapper with a HUGE
chip on her shoulder and a mouth to match). I know first hand the importance
of the psychological impact of self defense. It's refreshing to find more
instructors including this vital aspect in their SD training.
As for multiple assailants, I found (after *YEARS* of searching) the best
program available. It is by Modern Warrior out of NYC. I have taken a few
of their courses at conferences and was sincerely impressed by most of the
stuff. They are a "science" based organization... everything is thoroughly
tested before taught. And they have many undercover cops as students who
test these tech's first hand.
The program was developed by Phil Messina (the highest decorated NYPD cop in
history) who used to be a cop decoy against gangs. It was his job to go out
and get the gangs to attack him and fend them off til reinforcements arrived.
He was a self proclaimed "terrible shot" and so often did so unarmed.
His system uses concepts like "Cracking", "Screening" and "Redirecting". The
idea is to swim within the chaos... don't try to take down one person as much
as control the group as a whole by never being where they expect you.
Of course, the best option is to run away. See Marc MacYoung's book "Street
E&E" for some great pointers on how to run away effectively. (Plug: You can
find his book through our website: www.guardup.com/amwa)
But it *is* possible to become very good at fighting off multiple assailants
when running away is not an option (I am a mom of a 2 and 6 year old... cant
run away if they are there). Phil has been in an obscene number of fights
where he was outnumbered. He has been in the hospital more times that he can
remember. But he learned every lesson those wounds taught him.
And so I steal tons of my material from him when it comes to this subject
(with due credit, of course).
But yeah... I know what you mean by the trash they push in Black Belt
Magazine. I don't even bother to pick up the mag. It's filled with stuff
that will get you killed.
Meghan Gardner
Guard Up, Inc.
www.guardup.com
www.guardup.com/martial_arts_htm/cd.htm Interactive Assault Prevention CDROM
"Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me
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From: Neal Konecky
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:04:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
Piotr,
I live in a suburb of NYC. Please e-mail me privately with more information. I might be
able to suggest some dojangs. I have 1 or 2 in mind.
Neal
>
> From: Piotr Bernat
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:49:30 +0200
> Subject: the_dojang: Schools in NY area
>
> A small question to those of you living or having friends in New York City;
> a student of mine is going to visit his aunt in the U.S. next summer. He
> will stay there for two months or so and he would also like to train there
> and maybe enter a small tournament or two.
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From: "S. H. Wee"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:06:04 +0800
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kidohae & KHF
Dear member,
By my limited knowledge, I believe that there are 3 Hapkido
organisations that are recognised by the Korean government. In addition
to Kidohae and KHF, could any one tell me what is the third
organisation, IHF?
Sincerely,
S. H. Wee
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From: Neal Konecky
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:33:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
I am curious about what people think. What is the largest challenge if teaching children
MA? I am especially curious to see the responses from different parts of this country
and from other countries. Please feel free to e-mail me privately if you prefer.
Thank you
Neal Konecky
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From: "Rudy Timmerman"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:42:49 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Fees
PSN Sims writes:
> do you think that this is the kind of organization that would have listened
> to you suggestions that were ignored by that other individual you mentioned
> regarding testing. And most importantly, Do you think GM Yong would be able
> to find time to look at my video tape? For a fee, I mean..."
Dear Bruce:
When you are on a roll, you ARE on a roll. It took two pages to print your
essay. I must say that there is little else I can add to your assessment.
Regarding history: According to some,I have a somewhat distorted view on
history. Although it is one of my most enjoyed subjects, I no longer set
much store by it. Over the years, I have simply come to understand that
history is made one way, and written about in quite a different way.
Accordingly, I now look at what a particular association really does for its
members. If the service is good, and the fee is affordable, its good enough
for me. My real concern (in my earlier post) was that the fees of some
organizations are just too much for non US members. The exchange rate
simply kills us. Other than that, I prefer to leave politics to the
politicians.
Thanks for your post Bruce, as always, it was enjoyable to read. While I am
puting in the nickle, exchange rate for pennies, I'd like to wish everyone
on the list the best of the Season and a very happy New Year. I'd also like
to thank Ray for his enormous contribution to Korean arts. Thanks for
giving us the opportunity to share ideas with our fellow practitioners Ray!
Sincerely, Rudy
National Korean Martial Arts Association.
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From: Victor Cushing
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: RE:So lets take a look at this
To Bruce Sims....You have nailed the situation regarding competing Overall
Hapkido organizations and some of their claims as well as the organization
jumping practices of individuals that lead to rapid rank advancement (at
least a neat collection of varying certificates) for some of our current
Grandmasters.
If only the used car market worked the same way. Then I could trade my
1985 Oldsmobile in on a 2000 Cadillac and only pay for a very fancy title
certificate. Unfortunately this system would only deliver a picture of
the Cadillac, not a real vehicle.
As a licensed Private Detective, I am willing to offer you a reduced rate
for armed executive protection services as it is my considered opinion that
if you keep on writing this way, the people you offend ( or more likely
their rabid followers) may send waves of trained killers to your house to
rid the planet of your annoyingly accurate portrayals of the shenanigans
being foisted on the martial arts community. Your one real hope in this
is that they trained those paid killers.
If you are unwilling to accept my generous offer, at least get a fake
identity, a couple of pseudonyms, and a hotmail address so they cannot tell
it is you.
If on the other hand your continued research and investigation comes across
any two-for-one sales on really neat looking Grandmaster certificates,
please let me know, I love a bargain.
And lastly....a prediction that the quantity of noise and vociferous
defensiveness of the folks who will make the most of it are inversely
related to their time on the mat.
Those who really do, don't spend their time talking about how good they
are, they just do.
Vic Cushing
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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:04:34 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: KiDoHae: Getting Involved
Dear Master Seo:
Please accept my most sincere thanks and gratitude for taking the time and
energy to become personally involved in the recent discussion regarding the
NHA material published. Your contribution was a service to the KiDoHae
members and demonstrated an attitude of caring and concern not only for the
Korean arts and the members of your organization but also for the perception
of the World KiDo Federation in the eyes of the MA world in general. GM
Seos' efforts over the last decades are deserving of respect and recognition
as would be any individual of his stature and accomplishment. However, I am
taking this opportunity to publicly recognize your effort for another reason
as well.
In my relatively short (27 years) in the Martial arts I have had the
opportunity to observe an interesting cat-and-mouse game between legitimate
organizations and those lesser organizations seeking recognition,
authentication and validation. Commonly the site of conflict between these
two forces is the area of marketing-or most specifically the eye of the less
informed consumer. While I appreciate the need for authority figures in the
KiDoHan to maintain some level of decorum and deportment commensurate with
their rank, it is my considered opinion that the good of the Hapkido
practitioner in particular, and the Korean MA community in general, has not
been well-served by silence. In addition, there remains in our Korean MA
community individuals who continue to withhold support, and occasionally
openly resist efforts to investigate, document and instruct concerning
matters of Korean MA heritage and development. This combination of silence
by legitimate authorities and avoidance of ones' own heritage have served to
accelerate the pace at which the art of Hapkido has degraded in the last 20
years.
To date the struggle to maintain the integrity and authenticity of Hapkido
has fallen to a random few who have taken it upon themselves to make what
arguments can be made on an instance by instance basis. It is my prayer that
your comments posted in the last DD Net may herald some change in this
condition and mark the beginning of a greater engagement of the KiDoHae.
With its prestige, influence and heritage the KiDoHae could well serve the
Hapkido practitioner not only as an advocate for integrity, and an agency
for regulation but also as a source of historical accuracy and a resource
for further study.
Thank you again for your time and effort in this matter.
Best Wishes,
Bruce W Sims
www.midwesthapkido.com
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From: MSKBEvans@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:27:02 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:multiple attackers
craig stovall writes
>=20
>=20
In regards to the issue of multiple attackers, the simple answer is never.=
=A0=20
IMHO, the ability to deal with multiple attackers is one of those merry=20
myths that is perpetuated throughout the martial arts world.=A0=20
3. I was once attacked by three people at a public park (two males and one=20
female), and I was the one that "won" the fight...much to their=20
embarrassment...but hey...THEY started it.
- -------------------
I agree with Mr. Stovall.. fighting multiple attackers is a "virtual=20
impossibility" or at least odds are heavily against success. however=20
considering how difficult it is, I still hear quite a few stories like the=20
one above by Mr. Stovall about high quality martial artist fighting and=20
defeating multiple attackers. so perhaps the seeming contradiction is=20
related to the quality of the attackers, their mental state, and the=20
commitment of the people involved to winning. i.e. the one person being=20
attacked has a desperate mind set.. and the people doing the attack have an=20
over confident mindset or maybe each is hoping one of the others will get th=
e=20
job done so they don't get hurt
Practice in the school against multi attackers is excellent but not a very=
=20
good example of what a real encounter would be like. In class everyone has=20=
a=20
chance to think out a strategy and prepare them selves mentally. and you ar=
e=20
fighting against people who will know how to work as a team...and at least i=
n=20
my school the drill would not be done "full contact no rules" which totally=
=20
takes away the single fighters chances, but allows my students and me to be=20
able to go to work the next day instead of the hospital.
I guess my long winded point is.. for something I agree is impossible.. it=
=20
sure seems to happen alot.
btw.. I love this service Ray . keep up the good work. :-)
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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:33:14 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: GM Han, Bong Soo
"People should worry less about the history of Hapkido, and more about its
future."
Dear Patrick:
Thank you for sharing that quotation from your weekend. GM Han has done much
to futher the awareness of Hapkido in the minds' eye of the public if only
for his book and his participation in the movies. I am writing this on the
heels of my open letter to M Seo so I am on a bit of a roll. Still I want to
target specifically what I consider to be telling weakness in the position
that GM Han presents in his statement.
I would start by perhaps characterizing what I have seen among people who
are engaged in MA research less as worry than as a sincere concern for the
integrity and authenticity of our art. In my short 16 years in Hapkido I
have seen considerable degradation of the technique, philosophy, authority
and heritage. As I write this numbers of TKD schools, MA emporiums and
Self-defense clinics include "Hapkido" along with "Kung Fu' (sic), Judo,
Escrima and Gracie JJ on its' plate glass window. Many Hapkido
practitioners' have waited for the leadership of our art to make their
voices heard and in the silence have elected to defend what we could from
the claims and charges of others in the MA community.
Nor do I think that we Hapkido practitioners are well-served by letting the
"past bury the past". Unlike many endeavors in this modern world, the very
nature of Hapkido practice is a continuing balancing act between reverence
for our heritage and regard for the future. The research that I do, for
instance, remains a continuing sign of respect to those teachings I received
from GM Myung rather than any effort to embarrass or disrespect the Hapkido
community by revealing shortcomings that perhaps we all might share. Other
researchers continue to press for clarity regarding lineage, stylistic or
biomechanical comparisons, liaisons with our MA cousins in the Japanese and
Chinese arts and much more. My research had its original start in 1990 and
has developed into a project hopefully to produce a progressive 10 volume
set. In all of that time and effort I have yet to meet a single individual
in MA research whose efforts were small-minded or whose intentions were
mean-spirited. On the contrary I have repeatedly met people who have
sacrificed their personal time and resources to expand our awareness of the
art and raise its sophistication.
Finally, I have no way of seeing into another mans' heart so I must concede
to you that GM Hans' comment was made with the best of intentions. I will
share with you, however, that an individual of GM Hans' stature could do
much to expand research efforts. M Seos' recent contribution was sorely
needed by a community which operates in the shadow and silence of its
leadership. My hope is that GM Han may reconsider his position and
contribute his ample skill, knowledge and influence to the research efforts.
The need for greater involvement by the Hapkido leadership as well as
increased dialogue between US and Korean nationals regarding our art has
been long standing and deserves attention.
Best Wishes,
Bruce W Sims
www.midwesthapkido.com
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From: "Diane Goodman"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:10:04 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The Avengers, etc.
Emma Peel was the one who inspired me to begin studying martial arts in the first place.
To continue the history of the show, after Diana Rigg left, she was replaced by Linda Thorson as (Miss) Tara King, who did seem to know some martial arts, but would mostly just whine for Steed and whack a bad guy on the head with her purse (not that it wasn't effective, but ... ).
And Harrison Ford's character in Star Wars is Han (not Hans) Solo.
Carry on -
Diane
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From: LAHapkido@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:42:02 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
I'm not sure who posted to Susan and Donna, concerning Spock, but that was
great, thank you it was great to start my day with a little humor. Thank's
Dan
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From: Ken McDonough
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:10:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Big Ken sez thanks to you Mr. CS
- --Mr. Stovall refreshingly wrote:
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:15:08 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: You mean I'm NOT Big Ken?!?!Ken,
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. In addition to those, you
wrote:
"You outline a keen insight into my readings and thoughts. Tony Blauer,
Professor James, et al., "
I'm not quite certain who you're referring to when you make mention of
"Professor James", unless of course you are referring to David James and
the Vee Jitsu Te system. If so, I'm not overly familiar with his work, but
have read some very good reviews about his video "Vee Jitsu Te for the
Street". Of course, most will probably be more familiar with Mr. James'
instructor, Florendo Visitacion...truly an innovator in the world of
martial arts. I'm confident his sound tutelage is reflected in the works
and abilities of Mr. James.I'll keep a sharp eye out for those bamboo poles
you mentioned:)>
Response: Professor David James is the heir apparent to the late Florendo
Visitacion (Professor Visitacion's daughter is on the New York Supreme
Court
as a respected judge). On a recommendation I purchased one of Professor
James' videos. I was so impressed that I ultimately purchased the remainder
of his series. Highly recommended to all martial artists and practitioners.
My comments were made as an appreciation that it takes a little moxy to
criticize or offer an altering opinion about various martial arts "styles".
On another martial arts forum, I took the liberty of posting part of your
analysis. One reader alleged that I am you ? Not in name, but in similar
thought process, i.e., we share similar thoughts on training for a specific
environment.
I have my roots in Hapkido and Kuk Sool Won. But within the last several
years I have looked, even if superficially, at other ideas, methodologies,
and opinions. Yes, you have to sift the sense from the nonsense. Yes, there
are many individuals out there who are purely into marketing an easy fix or
product. Nevertheless, there are innovators out there who add a "modern"
realism to what I believe is sometimes an important point--you incorporate
the environment that you are in to add to your training. This is not to
dispel the importance of tradition and lineage. I believe that is important
for foundations and a sense of where your training emanates from. But, I
also believe you should incorporate those particular ideas that add to your
training. Like you mentioned, I believe a good school should consider some
boxing skills and drills, some fully padded training, scenarios, and
discussions on what to expect in a Western society that is vastly unique
and different than many Asian societies.
I have limited time in life to get caught up in the myriad of associations,
political machinations, and which GM is doing such and such at the next
seance. Hence, I may understand why certain individuals enjoy that. I also
respect their right to pursue those endeavors.
In sum, I am just a meat and potatoes kind a guy. An old country guy from
the big city. Son of a sharecropper working the fields of Queens. I lean
more toward trying to survive the day to day kind of stuff. I leave the
knife and fork training idealogies to those who know more than me.
I like what works on the modern day streets to protect my family and me.
Along with a greasy Philly Cheesesteak and a nice Seltzer water I am
happy.
McD...
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From: "Christopher Spiller"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:19:31 -0000
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
>From: "donna galster"
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:06:14 -0600
>Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #766
>
>Chris, perhaps the vulcan neck pinch is not a pressure point technique, but
>pressure points is a martial arts skill to learn. Every kick, block, punch
>has a target. Some more deadly than others if you apply it to the right
>area. I do not know much about pressure points, but I am sure a few others
>on this list could educate you on that area and agree that pressure points
>is a part of martial arts.
>
>Donna
Donna,
I quite agree that pressure point techniques are part of the martial arts.
If you reread my posting I was in no way implying that they weren't. I have
spent fourteen years studying Taekwon-Do (not a long time compared to some,
but nearly half of my life), and this includes the area of attacking tools
and their relation to targets on the human body. I have also been blessed
with an instructor that has taught me pressure point manipulations (they
are, after all, part of Taekwon-Do), a former kung fu Sifu that did
likewise, and have even attended a seminar with George Dillman and read some
of his books.
What I was trying to convey in my last post was a tongue-in-cheek critique
of an argument going on in the digest about how some Taekwon-Do is "real"
and some is not and that to be proficient in self-defense one has to study
"real" self-defense, not Martial Arts.
No offense was meant.
Taekwon,
Chris
>
> >From: "Christopher Spiller"
> >Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:23:03 -0000
> >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Vintage Star Trek MA
> >
> >I did NOT mention mr. Spock's Vulcan Grip because that's not an example
>of a
> >REAL Martial Art skill. See, it wasn't gained after Mr. Spok trained for
> >years in a MA style that was 1,000's of years old only to discover it was
>a
> >scant 50 years old and had no real combat applications so he decided to
> >cross train in other MA's (that would seem to have very similar problems)
>to
> >come up with the best techniques against any opponent, anywhere, any
>time.
> >Nope, it's just a result of him being a Vulcan (and only 1/2 a Vulcan at
> >that!). If that Vulcan grip had been a REAL Martial Art skill, I surely
> >would have included it ;-).
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From: "Christopher Spiller"
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:21:07 -0000
Subject: the_dojang: Mr. Spock's pressure points
>From: "donna galster"
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:06:14 -0600
>Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #766
>
>Chris, perhaps the vulcan neck pinch is not a pressure point technique, but
>pressure points is a martial arts skill to learn. Every kick, block, punch
>has a target. Some more deadly than others if you apply it to the right
>area. I do not know much about pressure points, but I am sure a few others
>on this list could educate you on that area and agree that pressure points
>is a part of martial arts.
>
>Donna
Donna,
I quite agree that pressure point techniques are part of the martial arts.
If you reread my posting I was in no way implying that they weren't. I have
spent fourteen years practicing and studying Taekwon-Do (not a long time
compared to some, but nearly half of my life), and this includes the area of
attacking tools and their relation to targets on the human body. I have also
been blessed with an instructor that has taught me pressure point
manipulations (they are, after all, part of Taekwon-Do), a former kung fu
Sifu that did likewise, and have even attended a seminar with George Dillman
and read some of his books.
What I was trying to convey in my last post was a tongue-in-cheek critique
of an argument going on in the digest about how some Taekwon-Do is "real"
and some is not and that to be proficient in self-defense one has to study
"real" self-defense, not Martial Arts.
No offense was meant.
Taekwon,
Chris
>
> >From: "Christopher Spiller"
> >Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:23:03 -0000
> >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Vintage Star Trek MA
> >
> >I did NOT mention mr. Spock's Vulcan Grip because that's not an example
>of a
> >REAL Martial Art skill. See, it wasn't gained after Mr. Spok trained for
> >years in a MA style that was 1,000's of years old only to discover it was
>a
> >scant 50 years old and had no real combat applications so he decided to
> >cross train in other MA's (that would seem to have very similar problems)
>to
> >come up with the best techniques against any opponent, anywhere, any
>time.
> >Nope, it's just a result of him being a Vulcan (and only 1/2 a Vulcan at
> >that!). If that Vulcan grip had been a REAL Martial Art skill, I surely
> >would have included it ;-).
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From: ConcordTKD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:10:06 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: TDK Times Street Fighting
The November Issue of TKDTimes has an an interesting artical on street fighting. People on the list may find it a good read.
John Murphy
A-3-756 TKD USTF/ITF
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:34:04 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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