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Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #770
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The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 14 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 770
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
the_dojang: chuck norris
the_dojang: What is the Korean MA style of Kyuk Too Ki ?
Re: the_dojang: chuck norris
the_dojang: Re: Teaching children
the_dojang: Re: un yong kim's signature
the_dojang: Re: KISS
the_dojang: Re: bong soo han's quote
the_dojang: Re: kido hwe rank
the_dojang: Re: steve seo
the_dojang: tongue-in-cheek Vulcan pressure points
the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #769
the_dojang: Re: Fees
the_dojang: .
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From: ConcordTKD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:02:42 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768
In a message dated 12/12/00 10:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< Chin Mu Kwan TKD Federation >>
I was just on thier site. It was very interesting.
John Murphy
A-3-756 TKD USTF / ITF
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:53:50 EST
Subject: the_dojang: chuck norris
just read on another list "Chuck Norris received his first dan from directly
from Hwang Kee". I don't think that is correct. Could one of you history
buffs tell me who his TSD instructor was so I can be sure and make the
correction.
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: "David Salt"
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:04:20 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: What is the Korean MA style of Kyuk Too Ki ?
To the list:
I stumbled upon a video tape of a dojo in Korea demostrating "Kyuk Too Ki".
Does anyone on this list have any knowledge of the style? Is it a modern
style, is it popular in Korea, is it practiced in America? What does "Kyuk
Too Ki" mean in Korea?
Sincerly,
David Salt
headbanger@mindspring.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:31:24 PST
Subject: Re: the_dojang: chuck norris
> just read on another list "Chuck Norris received his first dan from directly
> from Hwang Kee". I don't think that is correct. Could one of you history
> buffs tell me who his TSD instructor was so I can be sure and make the
> correction.
I believe that Chuck Norris was a student under JC Shin while he was
stationed in Korea. But JC Shin was still under Hwang Kee then, so I guess
it is possible that Hwang Kee was present at his 1st Dan test. ??
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Piotr Bernat
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:06:54 +0200
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching children
> I am curious about what people think. What is the largest challenge if
> teaching children MA? I am especially curious to see the responses from
> different parts of this country and from other countries. Please feel free
> to e-mail me privately if you prefer.
Teaching children since 1994, my biggest challenge was always to structure
the classes in the way that a) children don`t get bored with the exercises
- - they have definitely much shorter attantion spans than the adults, and b)
on the other hand perform the exercises long enough so that they have any
result. Despite this, I love teaching children. The funny thing is I gave a
seminar for GTF people couple of weeks ago and I introduced some ideas from
my children classes into the adult competition group. I was really
surprised how intense it could be for the grown-ups (even when the kids
didn`t look so tired...) if they get accustomed to a more static system of
training.
Regards
- --
Piotr Bernat
dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl
http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:17:36 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: un yong kim's signature
actually it should have a facsimile of his signature... which is why there are so many bogus kukkiwon ranks. in mho, the should do what the ktms does... hand sign each document, yes it takes awhile but then you KNOW its real, or else the signatures wont match.
just my opinion.
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:22:40 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: KISS
so michael are you saying that i can take any dan holders number and call kukkiwon and they will verify that information for me?
hmmm..... now that sounds like a federal law suit waiting to happen unless, that call is made from outside the US. not that i'm too familiar with Korean rights, but considering they are a democratic nation, what about the expectation to privation? do they not have this?
frank
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:29:21 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: bong soo han's quote
i disagree and agree. i agree that maybe there is too much emphasis on its history. but then, i also think that we are entitled to the truth. i also think that with all the problems found in martial arts, or at least a good many of them, are the result of past politics and lies... if we do not learn form history, it will only get worse down the road.
so maybe this is politics, but then, who would not like to know all about their art? if you don't know all aboiut your art, how can you be a sa bum? you can't. so i think history is very important too.
btw, i had heard this and wondered if it was true...
is it true that bong soo han was originally a taek kyun guy and transferred to hapkido early in his career? (just curious, like i said i had heard that somewhere... tkdt i think)
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:19:24 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: kido hwe rank
ok lets do it this way. give me any information on any school in korea that is a kido school, issuing solely kido rank. then when i go to korea in the fall, i'll stop by and see for myself.
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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:47:42 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: steve seo
so mr seo,
your father thinks it is appropriate to threaten legal action in a digest
such as this?
translate this for him... it is neither appropriate or honorable for such an
action to be taken, particularly over a debate where people are trying to
learn from one another. it is unfortunate, but since we can not see one
another it is easy to make assumptions about others motives.
personally, i believe the KHF and disbelieve the kido. now if papa wants to
sue me for that comment, i will be more than happy to instruct him in
american freedoms as my father owns a law business. also, note to your
father, that in english opinions can be made as statements thay do not have
to say, in my opinion...
now if i had attacked the kido hwe directly by saying something like they are
all child molestors or something else that would be inflammatory and harm
their reputation, then he would have had a case.
politics have been a part of martial arts and indeed human endeavor since
mankind (womankind too for you feminists out there) became able to socialize.
you want the history ort martial art? ok. martial arts began when the first
man, decided he wated to hurt the second man, and the second man defended
himself.... this was what when man first became homo erectus? (pardon the
sarcasm). Seems to me there are people in martial arts who take themselves,
WAY too seriously...
frank
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From: Tkdsusan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:54:28 EST
Subject: the_dojang: tongue-in-cheek Vulcan pressure points
Chris wrote:
>What I was trying to convey in my last post was a tongue-in-cheek critique
of an argument going on in the digest about how some Taekwon-Do is "real"
and some is not and that to be proficient in self-defense one has to study
"real" self-defense, not Martial Arts.<
Chris, apparently "tongue-in-cheek" works as a MENTAL pressure point
technique ! Depending on how it's applied, the effect is either laughter or
irritation, lol! I personally enjoyed your 'arguments' - and everyone
else's comments and memories of all these old TV characters I loved watching
as a kid! ( reruns for you, however!!!!) tsk, young'uns!!!!
Taekwon, and thanks again for the laughs!
Susan
tkdsusan@aol.com
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From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC"
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:23:11 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #769
Dear Mr Wee:
".....could any one tell me what is the third
organisation, IHF?....."
GM Myung, Jae-num is identified by GM Kimm in the book HAPKIDO as a student
of GM Ji and worked hard in his life to draw disparate MA positions
together. His most notable effort was his relationship with the Japanese
Aikido ("Japanese Aikido Federation") community in which he sought to expand
the biomechanical and philosophical similarities between Hapkido and Aikido.
Whatever may be thought of his efforts, GM Myung was designated as the
president of the "World Aikido Federation" in Korea. I have no knowledge if
this organization (WAF) is still with us, however the International Hapkido
Federation is alive and well in "Inchon City in Seoul" and remains one of
the three major certification agencies for Hapkido in Korea.
I will also add that on a personal note I can express my respect to the
memory of GM Myung. His encouragement to my sword teacher, GM Hyi Koo, 8th
Dan, Hwa Rang Kumdo caused GM Koo to come to the Chicago area and share his
gift of traditional Korean swordsmanship and patient teaching with
yours-truly. I am left with a debt that cannot be repaid.
Best Wishes,
Bruce W Sims
www.midwesthapkido.com
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From: Piotr Bernat
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:11:14 +0200
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fees
> Accordingly, I now look at what a particular association really does for
> its members. If the service is good, and the fee is affordable, its good
> enough for me. My real concern (in my earlier post) was that the fees of
> some organizations are just too much for non US members. The exchange rate
> simply kills us. Other than that, I prefer to leave politics to the
> politicians.
That`s a very good point. I know many people who have problems with paying
the 1st Dan KKW fee (in my country, it`s US$ 70 for the KKW + additional
US$ 14 for the administrative costs of the Polish TKD Federation). There
are many people here earning about US$ 150 a month, so sending half of your
monthly income to Korea can be a problem. A friend of mine tested for his
3rd dan with his two daughters - one for 3rd Dan as well and the other for
2nd Poom. You can imagine how disastrous it could be for the home
finances...
Regards
- --
Piotr Bernat
dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl
http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 7:03:20 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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