From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #770 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 14 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 770 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768 the_dojang: chuck norris the_dojang: What is the Korean MA style of Kyuk Too Ki ? Re: the_dojang: chuck norris the_dojang: Re: Teaching children the_dojang: Re: un yong kim's signature the_dojang: Re: KISS the_dojang: Re: bong soo han's quote the_dojang: Re: kido hwe rank the_dojang: Re: steve seo the_dojang: tongue-in-cheek Vulcan pressure points the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #769 the_dojang: Re: Fees the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:02:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #768 In a message dated 12/12/00 10:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Chin Mu Kwan TKD Federation >> I was just on thier site. It was very interesting. John Murphy A-3-756 TKD USTF / ITF ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:53:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: chuck norris just read on another list "Chuck Norris received his first dan from directly from Hwang Kee". I don't think that is correct. Could one of you history buffs tell me who his TSD instructor was so I can be sure and make the correction. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "David Salt" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:04:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: What is the Korean MA style of Kyuk Too Ki ? To the list: I stumbled upon a video tape of a dojo in Korea demostrating "Kyuk Too Ki". Does anyone on this list have any knowledge of the style? Is it a modern style, is it popular in Korea, is it practiced in America? What does "Kyuk Too Ki" mean in Korea? Sincerly, David Salt headbanger@mindspring.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:31:24 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: chuck norris > just read on another list "Chuck Norris received his first dan from directly > from Hwang Kee". I don't think that is correct. Could one of you history > buffs tell me who his TSD instructor was so I can be sure and make the > correction. I believe that Chuck Norris was a student under JC Shin while he was stationed in Korea. But JC Shin was still under Hwang Kee then, so I guess it is possible that Hwang Kee was present at his 1st Dan test. ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:06:54 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teaching children > I am curious about what people think. What is the largest challenge if > teaching children MA? I am especially curious to see the responses from > different parts of this country and from other countries. Please feel free > to e-mail me privately if you prefer. Teaching children since 1994, my biggest challenge was always to structure the classes in the way that a) children don`t get bored with the exercises - - they have definitely much shorter attantion spans than the adults, and b) on the other hand perform the exercises long enough so that they have any result. Despite this, I love teaching children. The funny thing is I gave a seminar for GTF people couple of weeks ago and I introduced some ideas from my children classes into the adult competition group. I was really surprised how intense it could be for the grown-ups (even when the kids didn`t look so tired...) if they get accustomed to a more static system of training. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:17:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: un yong kim's signature actually it should have a facsimile of his signature... which is why there are so many bogus kukkiwon ranks. in mho, the should do what the ktms does... hand sign each document, yes it takes awhile but then you KNOW its real, or else the signatures wont match. just my opinion. ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:22:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: KISS so michael are you saying that i can take any dan holders number and call kukkiwon and they will verify that information for me? hmmm..... now that sounds like a federal law suit waiting to happen unless, that call is made from outside the US. not that i'm too familiar with Korean rights, but considering they are a democratic nation, what about the expectation to privation? do they not have this? frank ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:29:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: bong soo han's quote i disagree and agree. i agree that maybe there is too much emphasis on its history. but then, i also think that we are entitled to the truth. i also think that with all the problems found in martial arts, or at least a good many of them, are the result of past politics and lies... if we do not learn form history, it will only get worse down the road. so maybe this is politics, but then, who would not like to know all about their art? if you don't know all aboiut your art, how can you be a sa bum? you can't. so i think history is very important too. btw, i had heard this and wondered if it was true... is it true that bong soo han was originally a taek kyun guy and transferred to hapkido early in his career? (just curious, like i said i had heard that somewhere... tkdt i think) ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:19:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: kido hwe rank ok lets do it this way. give me any information on any school in korea that is a kido school, issuing solely kido rank. then when i go to korea in the fall, i'll stop by and see for myself. ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:47:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: steve seo so mr seo, your father thinks it is appropriate to threaten legal action in a digest such as this? translate this for him... it is neither appropriate or honorable for such an action to be taken, particularly over a debate where people are trying to learn from one another. it is unfortunate, but since we can not see one another it is easy to make assumptions about others motives. personally, i believe the KHF and disbelieve the kido. now if papa wants to sue me for that comment, i will be more than happy to instruct him in american freedoms as my father owns a law business. also, note to your father, that in english opinions can be made as statements thay do not have to say, in my opinion... now if i had attacked the kido hwe directly by saying something like they are all child molestors or something else that would be inflammatory and harm their reputation, then he would have had a case. politics have been a part of martial arts and indeed human endeavor since mankind (womankind too for you feminists out there) became able to socialize. you want the history ort martial art? ok. martial arts began when the first man, decided he wated to hurt the second man, and the second man defended himself.... this was what when man first became homo erectus? (pardon the sarcasm). Seems to me there are people in martial arts who take themselves, WAY too seriously... frank ------------------------------ From: Tkdsusan@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:54:28 EST Subject: the_dojang: tongue-in-cheek Vulcan pressure points Chris wrote: >What I was trying to convey in my last post was a tongue-in-cheek critique of an argument going on in the digest about how some Taekwon-Do is "real" and some is not and that to be proficient in self-defense one has to study "real" self-defense, not Martial Arts.< Chris, apparently "tongue-in-cheek" works as a MENTAL pressure point technique ! Depending on how it's applied, the effect is either laughter or irritation, lol! I personally enjoyed your 'arguments' - and everyone else's comments and memories of all these old TV characters I loved watching as a kid! ( reruns for you, however!!!!) tsk, young'uns!!!! Taekwon, and thanks again for the laughs! Susan tkdsusan@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:23:11 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #769 Dear Mr Wee: ".....could any one tell me what is the third organisation, IHF?....." GM Myung, Jae-num is identified by GM Kimm in the book HAPKIDO as a student of GM Ji and worked hard in his life to draw disparate MA positions together. His most notable effort was his relationship with the Japanese Aikido ("Japanese Aikido Federation") community in which he sought to expand the biomechanical and philosophical similarities between Hapkido and Aikido. Whatever may be thought of his efforts, GM Myung was designated as the president of the "World Aikido Federation" in Korea. I have no knowledge if this organization (WAF) is still with us, however the International Hapkido Federation is alive and well in "Inchon City in Seoul" and remains one of the three major certification agencies for Hapkido in Korea. I will also add that on a personal note I can express my respect to the memory of GM Myung. His encouragement to my sword teacher, GM Hyi Koo, 8th Dan, Hwa Rang Kumdo caused GM Koo to come to the Chicago area and share his gift of traditional Korean swordsmanship and patient teaching with yours-truly. I am left with a debt that cannot be repaid. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:11:14 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fees > Accordingly, I now look at what a particular association really does for > its members. If the service is good, and the fee is affordable, its good > enough for me. My real concern (in my earlier post) was that the fees of > some organizations are just too much for non US members. The exchange rate > simply kills us. Other than that, I prefer to leave politics to the > politicians. That`s a very good point. I know many people who have problems with paying the 1st Dan KKW fee (in my country, it`s US$ 70 for the KKW + additional US$ 14 for the administrative costs of the Polish TKD Federation). There are many people here earning about US$ 150 a month, so sending half of your monthly income to Korea can be a problem. A friend of mine tested for his 3rd dan with his two daughters - one for 3rd Dan as well and the other for 2nd Poom. You can imagine how disastrous it could be for the home finances... Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 7:03:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #770 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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