From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #785 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 20 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 785 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: martial arts physics the_dojang: Cane Masters the_dojang: Re: Cebu, Philippines the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #784 the_dojang: Re: "D.I.Y. Hyung" the_dojang: Strong biceps & their usefulness in fighting the_dojang: Oh, and another the_dojang: Re: Groundfighting comments the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #784 the_dojang: Re: Fluffy the_dojang: Re: Boxing the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Steffen Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:49:14 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: martial arts physics > From: ChunjiDo@aol.com > Subject: the_dojang: Re: martial arts physics > > is that list still running? t.i.a.! :) > melinda Technically yes, it's still up, i.e. the list server still works. However, there haven't been any posts for months, and it's effectively dead. Partly, that's because the list moderator (me) is trying to get the @#$% out of graduate school, and doesn't really have time to mess around with it. But there are more fundamental reasons why the physics-of-martial-arts list died. One problem is that it's very difficult to communicate physics via email. There's a _lot_ of typing involved, and the options for math notation are all horrible. (We actually considered doing everything in TeX, but not everyone has access to that software.) Another problem is that it's very difficult to communicate martial arts via email. Just trying to accurately describe a step-forward walking-stance punch took a _lot_ of effort. And even then, there was confusion about _exactly_ how the weight transfered and so forth. An even bigger problem was that most of the participants didn't actually know very much physics. Which was fine, except that I spent more time teaching people physics than I did discussing martial arts. The few times we went beyong freshman physics, we left everyone else in the dust. ;-) But I'm beginning to suspect the fundamental problem is that the problem is really, truly, difficult. I suspect that nothing _really_ useful can be done without using upper-division physics, and very few martial artists have that much background (AFAIK, I was the only one on the list who was up on differential equations). Seriously - the only good way I've come up with for dealing with an impact to the human body involves resonant modes and overdamped oscillations - and that's just the simple version. Energy dissipation in three-dimentional inhomogenious media is a hellaciously difficult problem that very few graduate students would care to tackle. But that kind of thing is _absolutely_ necessary IMHO to develop an empirical definition of "damage". And without that definition, we can't quantitatively assign an effectiveness to a technique. I have decided that the first thing I need to do to get this subject off the ground is essentially write my own physics textbook and put it up on the web. Which I'm seriously considering doing, for a variety of reasons. Check back this time next year to see what's happening. ;-) I'm still passionately interested in the subject, if anyone wants to discuss things via email. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Steffen Wave after wave will flow with the tide Dept. of Physics And bury the world as it does Colorado State University Tide after tide will flow and recede steffend@lamar.colostate.edu Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Cane Masters Respectfully passing along some info for you folks. McD. P.S. Peace, love. | Block address To: "Cane Masters December Newsletter" Subject: Cane Masters December Newsletter Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:33:11 -0800 Add Addresses Thank you for signing up for the Cane Masters newsletter. http://www.canemasters.com/newsletter/main.htm You should be able to click on the link above to get there. You may need to cut and paste it in your browser's URL address window. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends. Thank you! Mark Shuey, Sr. Cane Masters mark@canemasters.com 1-800-422-CANE (2263)> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:23:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Cebu, Philippines Yo: I got the tickets in my hand. Visiting Cebu, Philippines late Jan 01 and Feb 01. Hope to learn from some fine Filipino Masters. But, if you think I aint gonna party till its 1999 (re: Prince, aka The Artist), you got a hole in your soul, and you don't eat chicken on Sunday. Play hard and play fast. McD... P.S. Love, peace, and harmony. Happy Holidays, baby ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:28:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #784 In a message dated 12/19/00 7:22:42 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Keep in mind that these are all the opinions of a man who has spent his entire life in a small town in the middle of Kansas, sheltered from the big, bad outside world. So if I am out of line or sound extremely naive, give me a break, I'm a hick. Dave Weller Student WTF TKD "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. >> Dave, in which town do you live? I grew up in Liberal, Ks. Have been a Texan since 1978. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:15:56 Subject: the_dojang: Re: "D.I.Y. Hyung" Bruce: Thanks for commenting on "patches and such" and your comments on "D.I.Y. Hyung." I had to smile because it was the other thing that I had to shake my head at at the open tournament I recently went to. The musical and open forms division had many made up forms, some very creative and others superficially very pretty and interesting to watch. I figure several of the students were so impressed with their right legs, that they saw no need for symmetry and never used their left ones! I especially love the other more fancy moves those stodgy traditionalist would never venture! :.) At least I feel more control with the forms. You can judge them on merit...you know, those boring stances between flashy moves, leg extension in kicking, eye contact, symmetry, etc. I feel it would be out of line to ask someone what their patch meant and then rip it off them if they were wrong! Dana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Warlockery@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:09:34 EST Subject: the_dojang: Strong biceps & their usefulness in fighting Do biceps (strong, big ones) have any purpose in martial arts? Unless you have someone in a one-armed headlock, which isn't too practical, I don't see any techniques that would benefit from stronger biceps. ------------------------------ From: Warlockery@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:12:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Oh, and another Also, do quads and hamstring muscles gain any benefit from strength, in terms of fighting (or sparring, I'm not trying to hurt someone)? ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:45:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Groundfighting comments >>Mr. Burrese, >>Thanks for a very classy reply regarding my >>counterpoints. I wish everyone were as open to >>opinions slightly contrary to their own as you are. >>I'll try my best to emulate your fine example through >>my own dealings here on the list. Thank you for the nice words, and please call me Alain. I feel this forum can be a great resource for us to share ideas, events and whatever else with each other and to learn about others styles, concepts, etc. I enjoy engaging in intelligent conversation on the topics where we can all learn from each other. Why waste time arguing over who is better, what style is better, etc. How does that help us grow? If some of my experiences and training that I relay to others can help them, I feel great. Just as I enjoy learning from others. To me, that's what this list should be all about. Thank you too for engaging in a conversation about groundfighting that I think everyone could learn from, from both our posts as well as the posts of some others who joined in. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:53:17 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Hoshinsul >>>P.S. I just received Mr. Burresses' video "Hapkido Hoshinsul",and have begun viewing it. It is very forthright and educational. I hope there is a section on going "fluffy" included !!! Thanks, Alain, for sharing your obvious skill and real world experience with the rest of us.<<< Thanks Dave, I hope you enjoy the video, and that it adds to your trianing curriculum. No, I didn't put a section in that one on going "fluffy." I think on one of the takes for my new video I did. Boy, hard to remember just what all we filmed. It's funny. I'd be driving, and something would come to me and I'd say, "have to remember to talk about that in the video." Or I'd be teaching and think the same thing. Then when it was time to film, how do you get everything onto two tapes? You don't. Just have to wait till next year to see what makes the final cut. Thanks again, and I hope you enjoy Hapkido Hoshinsul! Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:00:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #784 I agree with knowing something about the patch you wear on your uniform. Its says some about you especialy if you have no idea what is says or means. I like the comment about the belts, you can never be to sure what they put on those things. I side step the issue by asking one of the Korean families that train with me to write every thing on the forms before we have them stiched. John Murphy A-3-756 ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:03:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fluffy >>>I first heard the cat analogy on Marc McYoung's website and thought it was great. It reminded me that self-defense is not about winning a fight, but about getting out of a bad situation with the least damage to yourself as possible. A quick stun-and-run strategy is usually preferable then trying to go toe-to-toe with someone.<<< Gary, Thanks for joining in the conversation with some good points. Yes, Marc uses the cat analogy too. Actually, when I first used giving a cat a bath anology, it was my grandparent's tiger collored tabby. Huge tom cat, named Tom. Marc one night told me he liked the cat analogy too, and often used "Fluffy." One, when you know Marc, you know that he jokes about everything, and two it is easier for people to remember. One thing Marc stressed to me was that all the information in the world is no good if you can't communicate it in a way that people will learn and remember. (We were talking about teaching) While he and I can talk on one level about things, we remember that we have to be able to communicate these things with everyone, peole with our experiences (and more) as well as those who have never been there. In closing, I want to state that I consider Marc one of my teachers, since I have learned a lot from him. One of these days, we'll have to do something together, either book or video. We have talked about it, just have not fit it in yet. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:08:59 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Boxing Ken, I agree. A good boxer is hard to beat. Heck, a bad boxer can be hard to beat. Boxing makes a person tough. Good book from Paladin titled "Championship Streetfighting: Boxing as a Martial Art" by Ned Beaumont. I enjoyed this, and he made a very good case why boxing can be one of the best things to learn for self-defense. However, Ned does acknowledge that there are some good martial artists out there too. He is another that believes the person, not the art, is what really counts when things go sour. In the January Paladin catalog, Ned has a sequel to the Boxing book coming out. It is featured in the Jan. Blackbelt add as well. Forget the title off hand, but I am looking forward to it. I remember when Ned told me he was just finishing it up a year or so ago. Glad it's finally coming out. Anyone interested in Boxing will find them a good read. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 7:56:17 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #785 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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