From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #789 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 21 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 789 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 the_dojang: Bruce Lee article the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 the_dojang: rape defense video the_dojang: Multiple attackers revisited (Donn Draeger vs. the Crowd) the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings the_dojang: Krav Maga ? Re: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings the_dojang: RE: Family Tree the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:03:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 In a message dated 12/20/00 9:50:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << (2) Stamina required to just do a 3 minute round is beyond many and takes a long time to build up too. Be other than a young person in your early 20's and you will have real trouble in the ring or training for such. You may think that a 3 minute round is easy but its not when someone is punching at you and you have to punch back...drop your hands as you get tired and it gets real bad. (3) There are no more boxing matches. With so few schools now, there is almost no tournaments available for the young boxer. Also, because there is so many martial art styles, they cant get togather under a unified association to institute a good kickboxing league. (Just look at all the TKD factions). >> There are alot of organizations for kickboxing and boxing for young people. It is all over the place ... go to a match and look around at who the ones are that organized it ... And yes, like anything that has exercise in it ... you are going to have to develop stamina ! No one starts out in the ring for 3 minutes ... they work their way up to that ... and yes, it is rough ... but so was all the styles and years of karate I took. I took kickboxing at the age of 45 years ... no, not to go out and kickbox in a ring for money ... but for my own enjoyment and education. It was definitely an education ! LOL ! But older people can do it if they want to ... you just have to have the right kind of instructor. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:59:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 In a message dated 12/20/00 9:50:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << (1) Boxing is dangerous!!! If you box for any reasonable length of time, say one year, there is a good chance that you will get your nose broken. This is really a bad thing because your nose may not heal properly and you will have a crooked or flat nose!!! If you dont believe me then just go and see some long term boxers. Plus the cost of going to the hospital in this country. >> So ? Your nose might get broken ?? Lots of styles of karate have that one happen in it. You don't have to box to get a broken nose ... fat lips ... black eyes ... or any other injury. Just do real karate. Illona ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:49:22 EST Subject: the_dojang: Bruce Lee article Thought some on here might like this: Bruce Lee, the legend By Alex Beam, Globe Columnist, 12/19/2000 here are figures in modern culture who loom larger in death than in life. Often they are celebrities who died unexpectedly, and myths attach to the possibility that they may still be alive. Elvis Presley is one; other examples would be James Dean and the celebrated pianist Glenn Gould. And, of course, Bruce Lee. Twenty-seven years after his death at age 32, Bruce Lee-mania shows no signs of abating. Publishers Weekly recently discovered 55 Internet sites dedicated to the late martial artist. Time magazine ranked Lee, along with Mother Teresa and Jackie Robinson, as one of the 20 most courageous people of the past century. ''He embodied what it was possible for one human being to achieve, regardless of social class or ethnic background,'' says writer/filmmaker John Little. ''Bruce stood alone.'' Little is the official historian of the Bruce Lee Educational Foundation, which proves to be no small job. Working with Lee's widow, Linda, Little has published seven books of Lee's writings, which have sold an astonishing 500,000 copies for Boston's Tuttle Publishing. Little has also just finished his second Bruce Lee documentary, ''A Warrior's Journey, '' which Warner Bros. will release next spring. What is it about Bruce Lee's story that inspires several hundred visitors each week to trudge to his grave in Seattle's Lake View Cemetery, or prompts his fans to report Elvis-like, posthumous ''sightings''? Lee's rise to the pinnacle of the martial arts world was improbable enough. Five feet 71/2 inches tall and 135 pounds in his stocking feet, he is now thought to be the most potent martial artist who ever lived. Lee was also an iconoclast wrapped in an enigma. He first suffered discrimination at the hands of ethnic Chinese in the San Francisco Bay Area who didn't want him teaching gung fu (kung fu) to the round-eyes. Lee won the right to teach by defeating his rivals in a legendary 1965 Oakland fight . Even as he climbed the ladder of success, he gave free rein to his doubts. Lee closed down his martial arts schools in 1970, just as he was gaining notoriety, because he had lost faith in conventional teaching methods. And, just as he became a more bankable commodity in action films with the release of ''Fists of Fury'' (1971) and ''Return of the Dragon'' (1972), he rejected roles that he considered to be tainted by ethnic stereotypes. When he suffered the humiliation of being turned down for the starring role (''too Asian'') in a television series he helped create - ''Kung Fu'' - he abandoned America and relocated his family to Hong Kong. What happened next has passed into legend. Lee started work on ''The Game of Death,'' part action movie, part mystical tribute to his ultimate synthesis of martial arts techniques: ''the style of no style.'' The movie was never finished, although it was later released in a bastardized version, using cardboard cutouts of Lee in key scenes. Lee interrupted the filming of ''Game of Death'' to star in ''Enter the Dragon,'' which may have made him the world's most popular movie actor in the early 1970s. But before the movie's release, startling news arrived from Hong Kong: Bruce Lee was dead. Beset by headaches and fainting spells, Lee supposedly swallowed a friend's painkilling pills and suffered a fatal cerebral edema, or swelling of the brain. But few fans believed the official reports. Cannabis was discovered in his system; rumors of a drug overdose ran rampant. Lee's death was variously attributed to jealous Hong Kong movie barons, to rival martial artists, even to the Trilateral Commission and the CIA. One of the many Lee Internet sites implicates the loss of ''a bad feng shui deflector ... blown off of the roof of Bruce's Cumberland Road home'' in the actor's death. The 1993 death of his actor son Brandon in a freak movie accident only deepened the mystique of the star-crossed kung fu conqueror. The most questionable aspect of the Bruce Lee cult is his admirers' attempt to turn him into a latter-day philosopher-king spouting genial, east-of-the-border pablum, e.g. ''Walk on and see a new view. Walk on and see the birds fly.'' The martial arts have a spiritual dimension, but Lee's voluminous writings read more like the works of a copyist than an original thinker. The Lee Foundation's Little concedes this point, but adds: ''It's true that when you listen to Bruce, it sounds like a little bit of the Buddha, a little bit of Confucius, and a little bit of Jesus Christ. But you know what? No one listens to those people anymore.'' This story ran on page D01 of the Boston Globe on 12/19/2000. © Copyright 2000 Globe Newspaper Company ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:36:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788 In a message dated 12/20/00 11:49:50 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How do you say "boxing" in Korean? Hmmm...I wonder how I should design the patch. Cheers, David headbanger@mindspring.com >> on the patch: How about a guy with a broken nose......or how about Mike Tyson biting off an ear........yeah, that's the one. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:57:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: rape defense video The December issue of Blackbelt had an article titled "Women & the Killer Instinct: Learn the Strategy that Could Save Your Life!" by Melissa Soalt. I just quickly looked at the article yesterday, and it looked like she put out some good information. For those that want more on rape defense, Melissa has a new video out with Paladin. It will be a new release in the Jan. catalog, and the January issue of Blackbelt has it in the Paladin add. The video is "Fierce and Female: Practical Rape Defense Tactics for Every Woman" I do not know Melissa, but I know Mike Haynack who she did the videos with. Mike is an excellent Aikidoist that has applied the skills in real settings working in bars and such. Besides being a great martial artist, Mike is funny as can be. He always has the group in stitches. I'm betting it will be a good two video set. It is supposed to have realistic scenarios, full force demonstrations on padded attackers and easy to follow instruction with at home practice exercises. When I get a chance to see it, I'll let you know more. But it does look like a good set on rape defense. The 2 tape set runs about 140 minutes and sells for $59.95. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:08:37 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Multiple attackers revisited (Donn Draeger vs. the Crowd) I was just checking out a couple of the recent digest issues, specifically the topic on facing multiple attackers (also picked up the current issue of JAMA with Marc Tedeschi's Hapkido article). I was wondering if anyone has read the book by M. Nakayama and Donn Draeger on the subject. The title is _Practical Karate Against Multiple Unarmed Assailants_. I have met people who view Draeger as one step below God when it comes to MA's (he was good, there's no denying that) and was wondering if anyone had any comments on his views regarding this topic. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:10:02 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings Ray wrote: "The pic on the front cover of Robert W. Smith’s latest book, Martial Musings... that is EJ Harrison in his prime, an early Judoka and an excellent writer, IMHO." Speaking of 'Martial Musings', is that book any good? I'm mostly familiar with Smith from his collaborative efforts with Donn Draeger, and of course all that silly stuff he wrote as "John Gilbey". Just wondering if it was worth reading. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:39:47 PST Subject: the_dojang: Krav Maga ? Is anyone familar with the Krav Maga Instructor Certification program? Comments? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:41:29 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings > Speaking of 'Martial Musings', is that book any good? I'm mostly familiar > with Smith from his collaborative efforts with Donn Draeger, and of course > all that silly stuff he wrote as "John Gilbey". Just wondering if it was > worth reading. I plan on reading it this Saturday, during a long flight. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:12:57 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Family Tree Hapkido Heritage Mok Jang In Ahm Dosa Tae Eui Wang & Hae Dong YongSul Choi : : : : : : : : Han Young Choi Joo Bang Lee IN Hyuk Suh : : World HwaRangDo Kuk Sool Won : : : Dan Rogers : : ............................................................................ ............................................................................ : : : : Bok-sub Suh Moo-woong Kim : Hapki yu kwon sul Shin Moo Kwan : : : : : :........................................................................... .......................... : Kwan-wha Won : : : : : : : : : : Moo Sool Kwan Han-chul Lee l-woong Huh Joo-Bang Lee Han-dong Na Dong-ki Shin : : South America Seoul, Korea World HwaRangDo Seoul, Korea San Francisco : : : Jeff Forby : : : : : : ............................................................................ ...........................................................................: : : : : : Jung-yun Kim Hyun-Su Lim : Han Pul Jung Ki Kwan : : : : : :................................................................. : Abraham Sae : : : : : : : : California Jae Hyung Kim Michael Wollmerhauser Todd Miller : Jung Ki Kwan American Hapkido Assn : : : : : : : : Han Jae Ji Sin Moo Hapkido : ......................:..................................................... .......................................................:............. : : : : : : : : : : : Jong-soo Kang Kwang-Sik Myung Duk-kyu Kwang Yong-jin Kim Yong-whan Kim : World Hapkido Fed. : : : ............................................................................ ...................................................................: : : : : : : : : : : : : Tae-joon Lee Jae-Nam Myung Bong-soo Han Won-sun Jung Dong-koo Lee Seo-oh Choi Intnl Hapkido Fed Intnl Hapkido Fed Merry Xmas, everyone. I tried publishing this tree on another Net and it bombed. I'm going to try again here and see how it comes out. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:50:39 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #789 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.