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The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 21 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 789
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
the_dojang: Bruce Lee article
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
the_dojang: rape defense video
the_dojang: Multiple attackers revisited (Donn Draeger vs. the Crowd)
the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings
the_dojang: Krav Maga ?
Re: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings
the_dojang: RE: Family Tree
the_dojang: .
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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:03:49 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
In a message dated 12/20/00 9:50:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< (2) Stamina required to just do a 3 minute round is beyond many and takes a
long time to build up too. Be other than a young person in your early 20's
and you will have real trouble in the ring or training for such. You may
think that a 3 minute round is easy but its not when someone is punching at
you and you have to punch back...drop your hands as you get tired and it
gets real bad. (3) There are no more boxing matches. With so few schools
now, there is almost no tournaments available for the young boxer. Also,
because there is so many martial art styles, they cant get togather under a
unified association to institute a good kickboxing league. (Just look at
all the TKD factions). >>
There are alot of organizations for kickboxing and boxing for young people.
It is all over the place ... go to a match and look around at who the ones
are that organized it ...
And yes, like anything that has exercise in it ... you are going to have to
develop stamina ! No one starts out in the ring for 3 minutes ... they work
their way up to that ... and yes, it is rough ... but so was all the styles
and years of karate I took. I took kickboxing at the age of 45 years ... no,
not to go out and kickbox in a ring for money ... but for my own enjoyment
and education. It was definitely an education ! LOL ! But older people can
do it if they want to ... you just have to have the right kind of instructor.
Illona
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From: MissIllona@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:59:37 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
In a message dated 12/20/00 9:50:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< (1) Boxing is dangerous!!! If you box for any reasonable length of time,
say one year, there is a good chance that you will get your nose broken.
This is really a bad thing because your nose may not heal properly and you
will have a crooked or flat nose!!! If you dont believe me then just go and
see some long term boxers. Plus the cost of going to the hospital in this
country. >>
So ? Your nose might get broken ?? Lots of styles of karate have that one
happen in it. You don't have to box to get a broken nose ... fat lips ...
black eyes ... or any other injury.
Just do real karate.
Illona
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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:49:22 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Bruce Lee article
Thought some on here might like this:
Bruce Lee, the legend
By Alex Beam, Globe Columnist, 12/19/2000
here are figures in modern culture who loom larger in death than in life.
Often they are celebrities who died unexpectedly, and myths attach to the
possibility that they may still be alive. Elvis Presley is one; other
examples would be James Dean and the celebrated pianist Glenn Gould. And, of
course, Bruce Lee.
Twenty-seven years after his death at age 32, Bruce Lee-mania shows no signs
of abating. Publishers Weekly recently discovered 55 Internet sites
dedicated to the late martial artist. Time magazine ranked Lee, along with
Mother Teresa and Jackie Robinson, as one of the 20 most courageous people
of the past century. ''He embodied what it was possible for one human being
to achieve, regardless of social class or ethnic background,'' says
writer/filmmaker John Little. ''Bruce stood alone.''
Little is the official historian of the Bruce Lee Educational Foundation,
which proves to be no small job. Working with Lee's widow, Linda, Little has
published seven books of Lee's writings, which have sold an astonishing
500,000 copies for Boston's Tuttle Publishing. Little has also just finished
his second Bruce Lee documentary, ''A Warrior's Journey, '' which Warner
Bros. will release next spring.
What is it about Bruce Lee's story that inspires several hundred visitors
each week to trudge to his grave in Seattle's Lake View Cemetery, or prompts
his fans to report Elvis-like, posthumous ''sightings''? Lee's rise to the
pinnacle of the martial arts world was improbable enough. Five feet 71/2
inches tall and 135 pounds in his stocking feet, he is now thought to be the
most potent martial artist who ever lived.
Lee was also an iconoclast wrapped in an enigma. He first suffered
discrimination at the hands of ethnic Chinese in the San Francisco Bay Area
who didn't want him teaching gung fu (kung fu) to the round-eyes. Lee won
the right to teach by defeating his rivals in a legendary 1965 Oakland fight
. Even as he climbed the ladder of success, he gave free rein to his doubts.
Lee closed down his martial arts schools in 1970, just as he was gaining
notoriety, because he had lost faith in conventional teaching methods.
And, just as he became a more bankable commodity in action films with the
release of ''Fists of Fury'' (1971) and ''Return of the Dragon'' (1972), he
rejected roles that he considered to be tainted by ethnic stereotypes. When
he suffered the humiliation of being turned down for the starring role
(''too Asian'') in a television series he helped create - ''Kung Fu'' - he
abandoned America and relocated his family to Hong Kong.
What happened next has passed into legend. Lee started work on ''The Game of
Death,'' part action movie, part mystical tribute to his ultimate synthesis
of martial arts techniques: ''the style of no style.'' The movie was never
finished, although it was later released in a bastardized version, using
cardboard cutouts of Lee in key scenes. Lee interrupted the filming of
''Game of Death'' to star in ''Enter the Dragon,'' which may have made him
the world's most popular movie actor in the early 1970s.
But before the movie's release, startling news arrived from Hong Kong: Bruce
Lee was dead. Beset by headaches and fainting spells, Lee supposedly
swallowed a friend's painkilling pills and suffered a fatal cerebral edema,
or swelling of the brain. But few fans believed the official reports.
Cannabis was discovered in his system; rumors of a drug overdose ran
rampant.
Lee's death was variously attributed to jealous Hong Kong movie barons, to
rival martial artists, even to the Trilateral Commission and the CIA. One of
the many Lee Internet sites implicates the loss of ''a bad feng shui
deflector ... blown off of the roof of Bruce's Cumberland Road home'' in the
actor's death. The 1993 death of his actor son Brandon in a freak movie
accident only deepened the mystique of the star-crossed kung fu conqueror.
The most questionable aspect of the Bruce Lee cult is his admirers' attempt
to turn him into a latter-day philosopher-king spouting genial,
east-of-the-border pablum, e.g. ''Walk on and see a new view. Walk on and
see the birds fly.'' The martial arts have a spiritual dimension, but Lee's
voluminous writings read more like the works of a copyist than an original
thinker. The Lee Foundation's Little concedes this point, but adds: ''It's
true that when you listen to Bruce, it sounds like a little bit of the
Buddha, a little bit of Confucius, and a little bit of Jesus Christ. But you
know what? No one listens to those people anymore.''
This story ran on page D01 of the Boston Globe on 12/19/2000.
© Copyright 2000 Globe Newspaper Company
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:36:15 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #788
In a message dated 12/20/00 11:49:50 PM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< How do you say
"boxing" in Korean? Hmmm...I wonder how I should design the patch.
Cheers,
David
headbanger@mindspring.com >>
on the patch: How about a guy with a broken nose......or how about
Mike Tyson biting off an ear........yeah, that's the one.
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:57:24 EST
Subject: the_dojang: rape defense video
The December issue of Blackbelt had an article titled "Women & the Killer
Instinct: Learn the Strategy that Could Save Your Life!" by Melissa Soalt. I
just quickly looked at the article yesterday, and it looked like she put out
some good information.
For those that want more on rape defense, Melissa has a new video out with
Paladin. It will be a new release in the Jan. catalog, and the January issue
of Blackbelt has it in the Paladin add. The video is "Fierce and Female:
Practical Rape Defense Tactics for Every Woman"
I do not know Melissa, but I know Mike Haynack who she did the videos with.
Mike is an excellent Aikidoist that has applied the skills in real settings
working in bars and such. Besides being a great martial artist, Mike is
funny as can be. He always has the group in stitches. I'm betting it will
be a good two video set. It is supposed to have realistic scenarios, full
force demonstrations on padded attackers and easy to follow instruction with
at home practice exercises.
When I get a chance to see it, I'll let you know more. But it does look like
a good set on rape defense. The 2 tape set runs about 140 minutes and sells
for $59.95.
Yours in Training,
Alain Burrese
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From: "Christopher Spiller"
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:08:37 -0000
Subject: the_dojang: Multiple attackers revisited (Donn Draeger vs. the Crowd)
I was just checking out a couple of the recent digest issues, specifically
the topic on facing multiple attackers (also picked up the current issue of
JAMA with Marc Tedeschi's Hapkido article).
I was wondering if anyone has read the book by M. Nakayama and Donn Draeger
on the subject. The title is _Practical Karate Against Multiple Unarmed
Assailants_. I have met people who view Draeger as one step below God when
it comes to MA's (he was good, there's no denying that) and was wondering if
anyone had any comments on his views regarding this topic.
Taekwon,
Chris
"Every experience of beauty points to infinity."
Hans Urs von Balthasar
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From: "Craig Stovall"
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:10:02 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings
Ray wrote:
"The pic on the front cover of Robert W. Smith’s latest book, Martial
Musings... that is EJ Harrison in his prime, an early Judoka and an
excellent writer, IMHO."
Speaking of 'Martial Musings', is that book any good? I'm mostly familiar
with Smith from his collaborative efforts with Donn Draeger, and of course
all that silly stuff he wrote as "John Gilbey". Just wondering if it was
worth reading.
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:39:47 PST
Subject: the_dojang: Krav Maga ?
Is anyone familar with the Krav Maga Instructor Certification program?
Comments?
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:41:29 PST
Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: Martial Musings
> Speaking of 'Martial Musings', is that book any good? I'm mostly familiar
> with Smith from his collaborative efforts with Donn Draeger, and of course
> all that silly stuff he wrote as "John Gilbey". Just wondering if it was
> worth reading.
I plan on reading it this Saturday, during a long flight.
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:12:57 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Family Tree
Hapkido Heritage
Mok Jang In Ahm Dosa Tae Eui Wang
& Hae Dong YongSul Choi
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Moo Sool Kwan Han-chul Lee l-woong Huh Joo-Bang Lee
Han-dong Na Dong-ki Shin :
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Tae-joon Lee Jae-Nam Myung Bong-soo Han Won-sun Jung
Dong-koo Lee Seo-oh Choi
Intnl Hapkido Fed Intnl Hapkido Fed
Merry Xmas, everyone. I tried publishing this tree on another Net and it
bombed. I'm going to try again here and see how it comes out.
Best Wishes,
Bruce W Sims
www.midwesthapkido.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 7:50:39 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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