From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #790 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 21 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 790 In this issue: the_dojang: Happy Solstice the_dojang: Re: Dave S on Boxing vs. Other Martial Arts the_dojang: American boxing versus Muy Tai kick boxing. the_dojang: Happy Holidays! the_dojang: Re: GM Tae Yun Kim the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #789 the_dojang: Krav Maga Comments the_dojang: Re: Great Woman's Defense site the_dojang: RE: Family Tree the_dojang: Tae Yun Kim the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. of Waltham MA www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:45:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dave S on Boxing vs. Other Martial Arts Dave noted correctly,in part: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:03:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Curious= The Sweet Science of Boxing You made very good points about boxing vs TKD. I've asked these questions too about what ever happened to the "Sweet Science". And I've come to some conclusions: (1) Boxing is dangerous!!! If you box for any reasonable length of time, say one year, there is a good chance that you will get your nose broken. This is really a bad thing because your nose may not heal properly and you will have a crooked or flat nose!!! If you dont believe me then just go and see some long term boxers. Plus the cost of going to the hospital in this country. (2) Stamina required to just do a 3 minute round is beyond many and takes a long time to build up too. Be other than a young person in your early 20's and you will have real trouble in the ring or training for such. You may think that a 3 minute round is easy but its not when someone is punching at you and you have to punch back...drop your hands as you get tired and it gets real bad.> Response: Extremely valid points. Which lends credence to the fact that a well schooled boxer can handle himself against any traditional or modern martial arts aficionado. This query emanated from one posters premise that a good boxer is a formidable opponent in a real fight simply because that individual is schooled in how to hit and get hit. Right ! The broken noses, the infamous damaged ear lobes. This sort of throws a slight monkey wretch into the concept that one martial art is the answer. After all, you take a basic schooled boxer and he can maintain himself in or out of the ring ? Cheers, McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Martin Price Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:45:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: American boxing versus Muy Tai kick boxing. I have just recently joined this digest and have read with some interest the "boxing" discussions. I have watched both boxing and (Muy Tai) kickboxing numerous times and enjoy both. Over the years I have seen kickboxers attempt to crossover to boxing several times with little success and I have seen boxers attempt to crossover to kick boxing with little success either. Boxing and kick boxing are two totally different sports and as a result from what I have seen it is quite difficult for someone in one to crossover to the other due to the fact that on one hand you are taking a very familiar weapon away from one (kicking) or on the other hand adding an unfamiliar weapon to defend against (kicking). Now to get to the point I would like to make. When it comes to street fighting (self defense) both are excellent choices, but in my opinion, I would much rather have two weapons (hands, feet, actually more) than one (hands). Pound for pound a practioner of Muy Tai, Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, etc. would be a far more dangerous adversary of an attacker than a boxer, particuraly when dealing with more than one attacker. I totally agree with all that say it has much to do with the attitude of the arts practioner. You can be a black belt or a professional boxer, but without the will and knowledge to actually hurt someone else you could wind up getting the daylights beaten out of you or worse. Martin a newbie ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 9:07:05 PST Subject: the_dojang: Happy Holidays! It is that time of year again. Hoping this holiday season is good to you and yours. Please take a minute out of your busy day to reflect on the reason(s) for this joyous season. Thanks for helping to make this the best darn KMA list going. You kind folks make this effort so very worthwhile. Happy Holidays. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Tim Moriarty Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:32:06 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: GM Tae Yun Kim My first post. I do not know GM Kim personally and have not seen her in action, but my instructor, a 6th Dan in Sin Moo Hapkido from GM Ji Han-Jae, currently studies Jun SuWon from her. He speaks very highly of her in class to us, and frequently tells us stories about her and her belief systems. Regarding her books being 'motivational fluff,' I have read Seven Steps to Inner Power and found it very helpful. (I'll grant you that motivational books by their very nature do have a 'fluff' feel about them). GM Kim addresses a good point in Seven Steps: that unless you defeat the enemies within yourself you'll never be able to be a true warrior, a true martial artist. I have also been taught her 4 of her 12 system of gates (meditative breating exercises) that she has developed and do them every morning to center myself and get ready for another day of work. For what it is worth.... Tim ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:27:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #789 In a message dated 12/21/00 9:29:20 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Is anyone familar with the Krav Maga Instructor Certification program? Comments? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> i have a friend in Houston who converted to KM, has to pay something like $300 per month license fee!!! Go figure. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:29 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Krav Maga Comments Ray wrote: "Is anyone familar with the Krav Maga Instructor Certification program? Comments?" Well, since you left it open for comments...he he. I think a few quotes directly from their website in regards to their "Certification Programs" speaks volumes as to their motivation: "Become a dealer of official Krav Maga merchandise" "Marketing support, including print and television advertisements, and sales instruction" "Enhance and complement your existing business by learning how to successfully implement and operate a Krav Maga program" "Reap the benefits of Krav Maga's national and ongoing media attention. Don't miss out on this opportunity to separate yourself from the competition" Now for my impressions: Gee, they really keep their cards close to their vest don't they? This tripe is nothing but the standard McDojo formula applied to the field of combatives. My impression is this...they are looking to sell certification to experienced martial artists who can easily pass the Krav Maga certification "standards" based upon the fact that those customers already have a certain level of conditioning/coordination, and they can pick up the "moves" in short order...and then those franchise fees come a ROLLIN' ON IN. I've seen the stuff...nothing revolutionary...looks like "Down & Dirty One-Step Sparring" to me. Guy grabs you or punches at you....scratch their eyes, kick their groin, elbow their face, spit in their eyes...scaaaaaaawwweeyyyy stuff. Personally, if I were looking to get involved with an established combatives program...I'd search for something along the Fairbairn-Applegate flavor. In fact, the street self-defense tapes put out by Rorian and Royce Gracie are LIGHT YEARS ahead of this supposed "Israeli Commando" stuff. I'm not sold on the efficacy of Krav Maga...the fact that so many celebrity/supermodel types are into it speaks volumes as to the rigors of the program. The Bas Rutten/Oleg Taktarov connection is another laugh riot. Bas Rutten doesn't know Krav Maga from Shine-ola...ditto for Oleg. One's an ex-kickboxer turned Pancrase competitor, and the other is a Judo/Sambo stylist. Basically, Darren Levine brought those guys into his studio, paid them to put on official Krav Maga duds, and then took some pictures demonstrating some "moves" to be used for magazine coverage. Presto! Now, Krav Maga is instantly associated with two legitimate NHB fighters. Truly, a sucker is born every minute. I wonder how you say, "It's all about the Benjamins" in Hebrew? Sorry...but "I gots to calls 'em likes I sees 'em". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:07:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Great Woman's Defense site About 10 minutes after I posted the blub about Melissa's new video, I got a reply from Mike Haynack to a note I sent him a couple days ago. He just got back home from being on the road, and is working on a video he is under contract with Paladin for, it will be Aikido for combat. That should be a good source for those on the list wondering about Aikido's effectiveness in the street. He didn't say just when they will film, and then it will be a while before it comes out. (Usually 12 months or so after filming) Mike is also working on a book about defending against larger opponents. I told him I was looking forward to seeing the new video he did with Melissa. He sent me the new web site they put together. Please check this out: http://www.dr-ruthless.com It looks like some very good information. I only looked for a couple minutes. The video set has gotten some very good reviews, and she has some articles and advice for women's self defense. She has an impressive background, and a lot of good information to share. Check it out, and stay safe! Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:25:21 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Family Tree Damn. Bombed again. Back to the drawing board. Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:22:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Tae Yun Kim Craig Stovall asked: An acquaintance was asking me if I knew anything about GM Tae Yun Kim. I was aware of the fact that she writes a monthly article for TKD Times and had written a few books (mostly motivational fluff), but that was about it. Upon further investigation, I ran across her websites...I believe she has two of them. I'd appreciate it if anyone could pass along some information regarding this person. Has anyone ever seen her stuff, does she have rank from an established Kwan, is she a former competitor? HERE'S MY REPLY: GM Kim is one of the most experienced female tkders out there, if not the most experienced. That said, I've got to say that I steer people away from her. My brother actually got interested in the martial arts for a short time and rather than going to Tamo Kitaura's judo dojo in Palo Alto like I told him to, he picked the biggest ad he could find (Kim's). The cult-like atmosphere he found there killed any interest he ever had. Among the things he saw during his brief visit: 1. GM Kim in a bouffaint on a stage singing to her students as they worked out. 2. Lots of praise about GM. 3. Hard-sell contract attempt. During this my brother asked: Q: How much are lessons? A: How much have you got? Enough said? Take care, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu PS: And yes, I've got her various books including the "Silent Master" one from back when she had another name. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:24:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #790 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.