From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 792 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #791 the_dojang: Boxing vs Kickboxing the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments the_dojang: RE: Family Tree Re: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments the_dojang: Re: Boxing to Kick Boxing and vice versa the_dojang: Mas Oyama sparring the_dojang: Happy Holidays! the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:11:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #791 In a message dated 12/21/00 8:18:59 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << << 1. GM Kim in a bouffaint on a stage singing to her students as they worked out. >> >> TKD Times featured her on the cover a few years back....may have copy around here somewhere. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "David Salt" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:25:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Boxing vs Kickboxing > Boxing and kick boxing are two totally different sports and as a result from what I have seen it is quite difficult for someone in one to crossover to the other due to the fact that on one hand you are taking a very familiar weapon away from one (kicking) or on the other hand adding an unfamiliar weapon to defend against (kicking). > Not really, the school that I went to forsed you to learn how to box before you could enter the ring doing kicks. The training is identical to boxing for the kickboxer, just without the kicks of course. The instructors were Golden Glove boxers too. David ------------------------------ From: "David Salt" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:52:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments IIIona commented: > > There are alot of organizations for kickboxing and boxing for young people. > It is all over the place ... go to a match and look around at who the ones > are that organized it ... > Nonsense!!! Go to the various Karate schools in a given area and count how many have a regulation ring for kickboxing. It would be almost none. And then count the TKD and karate schools that send there students to the ring. I'm sure that you will find that most schools do not train for the ring so they dont send to the ring their students. Count the amount of shows on TV and cable that show kickboxing tournaments, very few now. If you wanted to go in the ring, then you would have go on your own to find a real kickboxing school. And it's not easy to find a real kickboxing school. David headbanger@mindspring.com IIIona commented about: > << (1) Boxing is dangerous!!! If you box for any reasonable length of time, > say one year, there is a good chance that you will get your nose broken. > This is really a bad thing because your nose may not heal properly and you > will have a crooked or flat nose!!! If you dont believe me then just go and > see some long term boxers. Plus the cost of going to the hospital in this > country. >> > > So ? Your nose might get broken ?? Lots of styles of karate have that one > happen in it. You don't have to box to get a broken nose ... fat lips ... > black eyes ... or any other injury. > > Just do real karate. > > Illona > Real karate will get you killed in the ring. As I said before, you have to unlearn those traditional moves. It's sad that so many martial artists live in fantasy land about boxing and kickboxing. David headbanger@mindspring.com : > << How do you say > "boxing" in Korean? Hmmm...I wonder how I should design the patch. > Cheers, > David > headbanger@mindspring.com >> > > > on the patch: How about a guy with a broken nose......or how about > Mike Tyson biting off an ear........yeah, that's the one. > gary pieratt Or a boxer punching to the body of a TKD practitioner who is throwing a linear punch!!! That was my idea. ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:27:55 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Family Tree Dear Folks: I want to start off by apologizing to Ray for making such a mess of things with the Hapkido Tree I posted a bit ago. Sorry about that. I also want to thank Jerry for coming to my rescue and getting me back on the path of goodness and righteousness regarding my computer. As things stand, here is what I have done. a.) The Hapkido Lineage Tree first two pages is posted on my website and can be accessed by going to www.midwesthapkido.com and selecting "lineage". Simple enough. The tree is based on the information in Dr. He-Young Kimms' book HAPKIDO and hopefully will be the start of an information exchange regarding Hapkido lineage. Now, before I go any farther let me say a little something about this. b.) I am not the only one who is working on this project. There are quite a few people out there who have an honest desire to get information out to the Hapkido practitioners in this country. I have been doing research since 1990 when I started the DOCHANG JOURNAL project and, I have to tell you folks, I have yet to run into anybody doing Hapkido research that was mean spirited, small minded or malicious. There are a great bunch of folks out there who want nothing more than to get some answers about who we are and where we came from and where we are going and I am grateful to have made their acquaintance. I share this with you all so that you may know that there is no intent in any of this to embarrass, deride, or harm anyone. I am about the last person on earth who has any right to make judgements on people or thewir affiliations. I sure-as-s*** don't want to get into a contest about authenticity or legitimacy and the nature of the relationships among money, standing and certification. Totally different issue. It does bring me to another point, though. c.) Some of you will be looking at the project as it grows and thinking that "hey, Mr. XYZ was a student of so&so not GM ABC." Making changes right now is a bit tough though I am working on a way to get around this .( If anyone has experience posting GEDCOM files to websites---I'm talking to genealogy hobbyists, now-let me know) In the meantime changes will come pretty slow. Also I need to have some kind of documentation or resource other than "Master Lee said so." I am hoping that as this project gets better known some of the larger organizations will be comfortable sharing information or at least confirming information. I also hope that this might be a way of reaching across the Pond to Korea and getting more exchange with our Hapkido relatives there. BTW: I suspect that many of us would be surprised at how much of an effort is made to use English on the Korean websites. Unlike we Americans, not everyone has such an aversion to learning foreign languages so you may be pleasantly surprised to find how many new friends are waiting to be met. I hope to organize a list of Korean websites for posting here in the near future, but I have about as many irons in the fire as I can handle right now. d.) Last point.. Some of you may be thinking that all of this is about #86 on your list of "THE 90 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT". It not as though I expect everyone to drop what they are doing and jump on board. I will take only a moment and say that just about every other MA has an appreciation of how the various members and practitioners are related to each other. I suspect that part of our responsibility to the next Hapkido generation is to leave them with an understanding and an art that's a bit better for our having had stewardship of it, yes? In the end, that's all any of this is about. Best Wishes .... Oh, and Happy Holidays to everyone........ Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 7:09:12 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments > And it's not easy to find a real kickboxing school. > ... > Real karate will get you killed in the ring. Geezzz... Real kickboxing, real karate, real TKD... I hope what I'm doing is real and not fake... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:17:04 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Boxing to Kick Boxing and vice versa > I have just recently joined this digest and have read with some > interest the "boxing" discussions. I have watched both boxing and (Muy > Tai) kickboxing numerous times and enjoy both. Over the years I have seen > kickboxers attempt to crossover to boxing several times with little > success and I have seen boxers attempt to crossover to kick boxing with > little success either. > > Boxing and kick boxing are two totally different sports and as a > result from what I have seen it is quite difficult for someone in one to > crossover to the other due to the fact that on one hand you are taking a > very familiar weapon away from one (kicking) or on the other hand adding > an unfamiliar weapon to defend against (kicking). Martin, while I agree that both sports are totally different, I think it really depends on the person if s/he can make the crossover or not. Many good professional boxers in my country started in kick-boxing and then they went into boxing. A classic example is Iwona Guzowska, female fighter who was the winner of several WAKO full contact championships and now succcesfully became pro boxing champion. There were many other as well. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:26:10 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Mas Oyama sparring I just thought some people would be interested in seeing Mas Oyama, founder of Kyokushin Kai Karate (and ethnic Korean, see there is a link to the KMA's ;-) doing alittle sparring. Check out www.koya-m.com/Kyokushin/ for video clips and some interesting information. Taekwon (and Merry Christmas), Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:33:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Happy Holidays! Ray, Thanks for a great list, and Happy Holidays to you and your family as well. To everyone else on the list, wishing you the best of holiday seasons for you and your families also> I'm finally done with this semester of school, getting my Christmas cards out (in time for New Years) and preparing for our trip to Korea. I'll be over there in a couple weeks! Happy Holidays Everyone! Alain ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 8:16:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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