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Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792
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The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 792
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #791
the_dojang: Boxing vs Kickboxing
the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments
the_dojang: RE: Family Tree
Re: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments
the_dojang: Re: Boxing to Kick Boxing and vice versa
the_dojang: Mas Oyama sparring
the_dojang: Happy Holidays!
the_dojang: .
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:11:35 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #791
In a message dated 12/21/00 8:18:59 PM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<<
<< 1. GM Kim in a bouffaint on a stage singing to her students as they
worked
out. >>
>>
TKD Times featured her on the cover a few years back....may have copy around
here somewhere.
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: "David Salt"
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:25:57 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Boxing vs Kickboxing
> Boxing and kick boxing are two totally different sports and as a
result from what I have seen it is quite difficult for someone in one to
crossover to the other due to the fact that on one hand you are taking a
very familiar weapon away from one (kicking) or on the other hand adding an
unfamiliar weapon to defend against (kicking).
>
Not really, the school that I went to forsed you to learn how to box before
you could enter the ring doing kicks. The training is identical to boxing
for the kickboxer, just without the kicks of course. The instructors were
Golden Glove boxers too.
David
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From: "David Salt"
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:52:22 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments
IIIona commented:
>
> There are alot of organizations for kickboxing and boxing for young
people.
> It is all over the place ... go to a match and look around at who the ones
> are that organized it ...
>
Nonsense!!! Go to the various Karate schools in a given area and count how
many have a regulation ring for kickboxing. It would be almost none. And
then count the TKD and karate schools that send there students to the ring.
I'm sure that you will find that most schools do not train for the ring so
they dont send to the ring their students. Count the amount of shows on TV
and cable that show kickboxing tournaments, very few now. If you wanted to
go in the ring, then you would have go on your own to find a real kickboxing
school. And it's not easy to find a real kickboxing school.
David
headbanger@mindspring.com
IIIona commented about:
> << (1) Boxing is dangerous!!! If you box for any reasonable length of
time,
> say one year, there is a good chance that you will get your nose broken.
> This is really a bad thing because your nose may not heal properly and
you
> will have a crooked or flat nose!!! If you dont believe me then just go
and
> see some long term boxers. Plus the cost of going to the hospital in
this
> country. >>
>
> So ? Your nose might get broken ?? Lots of styles of karate have that
one
> happen in it. You don't have to box to get a broken nose ... fat lips ...
> black eyes ... or any other injury.
>
> Just do real karate.
>
> Illona
>
Real karate will get you killed in the ring. As I said before, you have to
unlearn those traditional moves. It's sad that so many martial artists live
in fantasy land about boxing and kickboxing.
David
headbanger@mindspring.com
:
> << How do you say
> "boxing" in Korean? Hmmm...I wonder how I should design the patch.
> Cheers,
> David
> headbanger@mindspring.com >>
>
>
> on the patch: How about a guy with a broken nose......or how about
> Mike Tyson biting off an ear........yeah, that's the one.
> gary pieratt
Or a boxer punching to the body of a TKD practitioner who is throwing a
linear punch!!!
That was my idea.
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From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:27:55 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Family Tree
Dear Folks:
I want to start off by apologizing to Ray for making such a mess of things
with the Hapkido Tree I posted a bit ago. Sorry about that. I also want to
thank Jerry for coming to my rescue and getting me back on the path of
goodness and righteousness regarding my computer. As things stand, here is
what I have done.
a.) The Hapkido Lineage Tree first two pages is posted on my website and
can be accessed by going to www.midwesthapkido.com
and selecting "lineage". Simple enough. The
tree is based on the information in Dr. He-Young Kimms' book HAPKIDO and
hopefully will be the start of an information exchange regarding Hapkido
lineage. Now, before I go any farther let me say a little something about
this.
b.) I am not the only one who is working on this project. There are
quite a few people out there who have an honest desire to get information
out to the Hapkido practitioners in this country. I have been doing research
since 1990 when I started the DOCHANG JOURNAL project and, I have to tell
you folks, I have yet to run into anybody doing Hapkido research that was
mean spirited, small minded or malicious. There are a great bunch of folks
out there who want nothing more than to get some answers about who we are
and where we came from and where we are going and I am grateful to have made
their acquaintance. I share this with you all so that you may know that
there is no intent in any of this to embarrass, deride, or harm anyone. I am
about the last person on earth who has any right to make judgements on
people or thewir affiliations. I sure-as-s*** don't want to get into a
contest about authenticity or legitimacy and the nature of the relationships
among money, standing and certification. Totally different issue. It does
bring me to another point, though.
c.) Some of you will be looking at the project as it grows and thinking
that "hey, Mr. XYZ was a student of so&so not GM ABC." Making changes right
now is a bit tough though I am working on a way to get around this .( If
anyone has experience posting GEDCOM files to websites---I'm talking to
genealogy hobbyists, now-let me know) In the meantime changes will come
pretty slow. Also I need to have some kind of documentation or resource
other than "Master Lee said so." I am hoping that as this project gets
better known some of the larger organizations will be comfortable sharing
information or at least confirming information. I also hope that this might
be a way of reaching across the Pond to Korea and getting more exchange with
our Hapkido relatives there. BTW: I suspect that many of us would be
surprised at how much of an effort is made to use English on the Korean
websites. Unlike we Americans, not everyone has such an aversion to learning
foreign languages so you may be pleasantly surprised to find how many new
friends are waiting to be met. I hope to organize a list of Korean websites
for posting here in the near future, but I have about as many irons in the
fire as I can handle right now.
d.) Last point.. Some of you may be thinking that all of this is about
#86 on your list of "THE 90 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT". It
not as though I expect everyone to drop what they are doing and jump on
board. I will take only a moment and say that just about every other MA has
an appreciation of how the various members and practitioners are related to
each other. I suspect that part of our responsibility to the next Hapkido
generation is to leave them with an understanding and an art that's a bit
better for our having had stewardship of it, yes? In the end, that's all any
of this is about.
Best Wishes .... Oh, and Happy Holidays to everyone........
Bruce W Sims
www.midwesthapkido.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 7:09:12 PST
Subject: Re: the_dojang: the lack of kickboxing tournaments
> And it's not easy to find a real kickboxing school.
> ...
> Real karate will get you killed in the ring.
Geezzz... Real kickboxing, real karate, real TKD...
I hope what I'm doing is real and not fake... :)
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Piotr Bernat
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:17:04 +0200
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Boxing to Kick Boxing and vice versa
> I have just recently joined this digest and have read with some
> interest the "boxing" discussions. I have watched both boxing and (Muy
> Tai) kickboxing numerous times and enjoy both. Over the years I have seen
> kickboxers attempt to crossover to boxing several times with little
> success and I have seen boxers attempt to crossover to kick boxing with
> little success either.
>
> Boxing and kick boxing are two totally different sports and as a
> result from what I have seen it is quite difficult for someone in one to
> crossover to the other due to the fact that on one hand you are taking a
> very familiar weapon away from one (kicking) or on the other hand adding
> an unfamiliar weapon to defend against (kicking).
Martin,
while I agree that both sports are totally different, I think it really
depends on the person if s/he can make the crossover or not. Many good
professional boxers in my country started in kick-boxing and then they went
into boxing. A classic example is Iwona Guzowska, female fighter who was
the winner of several WAKO full contact championships and now succcesfully
became pro boxing champion. There were many other as well.
Regards
- --
Piotr Bernat
dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl
http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl
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From: "Christopher Spiller"
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:26:10 -0000
Subject: the_dojang: Mas Oyama sparring
I just thought some people would be interested in seeing Mas Oyama, founder
of Kyokushin Kai Karate (and ethnic Korean, see there is a link to the KMA's
;-) doing alittle sparring.
Check out www.koya-m.com/Kyokushin/ for video clips and some interesting
information.
Taekwon (and Merry Christmas),
Chris
"Every experience of beauty points to infinity."
Hans Urs von Balthasar
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From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:33:31 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Happy Holidays!
Ray,
Thanks for a great list, and Happy Holidays to you and your family as well.
To everyone else on the list, wishing you the best of holiday seasons for you
and your families also>
I'm finally done with this semester of school, getting my Christmas cards out
(in time for New Years) and preparing for our trip to Korea. I'll be over
there in a couple weeks!
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Alain
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 8:16:02 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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