From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #793 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 22 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 793 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 the_dojang: UTI (United Taekwondo International) and Dan-Bong forms the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #790 the_dojang: Dan bong forms ? the_dojang: Boxing, Martial arts, Street fighting and Self Control the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 the_dojang: Dates or Figs ? the_dojang: Huntin Master Hank the_dojang: bouffaint the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! 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To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:54:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 In a message dated 12/22/00 9:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << There are alot of organizations for kickboxing and boxing for young people. > It is all over the place ... go to a match and look around at who the ones > are that organized it ... > >> you missed my post from a few day ago. I looked through the yellow pages for San Antonio, found 75 martial art school and only one boxing school. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:19:57 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 In a message dated 12/22/00 9:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << while I agree that both sports are totally different, I think it really depends on the person if s/he can make the crossover or not. Many good professional boxers in my country started in kick-boxing and then they went into boxing. A classic example is Iwona Guzowska, female fighter who was the winner of several WAKO full contact championships and now succcesfully became pro boxing champion. There were many other as well. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl >> don't forget Troy Dorsey. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: barrel Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:11:17 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: UTI (United Taekwondo International) and Dan-Bong forms Hello, About 6 months ago, I started training at a new club in Brussels - Belgium. This club is affiliated with the UTI (United Taekwondo International). From what I understand, grandmaster Karel van Orsouw founded the UTI in 1993 after some political problems with the NTA (Nedelandse Taekwondo Associatie) of which he was co-founder. The UTI currently has clubs in Holland, England, Germany and Belgium (if I am correct). This is very local (only a small part of europe), but is there anyone who can confirm this or even explain a bit more? Second question: The UTI practises two dan-bong (short stick with rope. Stick is adjusted to size of the one who uses it) forms. They have developed these forms themselves, but I would like to know if there are other affiliations that have these kind of forms as well? Kind regards, Barrel ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:18:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 In a message dated 12/22/00 9:53:06 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > And it's not easy to find a real kickboxing school. > ... > Real karate will get you killed in the ring. Geezzz... Real kickboxing, real karate, real TKD... I hope what I'm doing is real and not fake... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >> Is this a "real" list service? or a watered down one. :) New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: TSDTiger@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:23:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #790 > Here is a tidbit about Chuck: He recieved his black belt in October 1960 on > Osan Air force base in Korea, from Hwang Kee, along with my Grandmaster, > Robert Cheezic. You can see a pic of them and more info on our federation's > homepage, www.cheezictsd.com > > Tang Soo, > Jennifer > > > Jennifer, > > While it might be said that Chuck Norris received his black belt from > Grandmaster Hwang Kee it would be the same as you saying you received your > black belt from Grandmaster Cheezic. In both instances the Grandmasters of > both organizations sign each and every black belt certificate that is issued. > It lends credence to the lineage claimed by the recipiant of the certificate. > > As far as I know, from the information I have read, Chuck Norris has always > refered to Grandmaster Shin Jae Chul as his instructor of record. > Grandmaster Shin is an 8th Dan and the founder of the World Tang Soo Do > Association. He is an accomplished martial artist and a very unassuming > individual. I have met Grandmaster Shin and I was very much impressed with > his humble manner and his total lack of ego. > > Please note that my knowledge of Grandmaster Shin's relationship with Mr. > Norris does not stem from my conversations with him. The subject never came > up in our exchanges. I hope this sheds some light on the subject of Chuck > Norris' lineage. > > Respectfully Submitted in the Spirit of Jung Do, > > Joseph A. Clarke > 3rd Dan > Tang Soo Do > US Korean Martial Arts Federation ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 8:53:36 PST Subject: the_dojang: Dan bong forms ? > Second question: The UTI practises two dan-bong (short stick with rope. > Stick is adjusted to size of the one who uses it) forms. They have > developed these forms themselves, but I would like to know if there are > other affiliations that have these kind of forms as well? Hi Barrel, These dan bong forms sound interesting. Are there mpegs of them anywhere on the web? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Martin Price Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:50:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Boxing, Martial arts, Street fighting and Self Control Ah yes, the discussion goes on. Many valid points have been made here on whether or not Boxing is as good as the martial arts when it come to defending yourself in the street. Well, I will take one or two more angles on this one with pros and cons. First a boxer and a practioner of the martial arts has a huge advantage over an untrained attacker in the street, that advantage being self control. Although an attacker can be a cold and calculated individual when initiating his attack, the second it is meet with a fist, kick, or throw, the attacker loses his own self control and becomes enraged and as a result loses his thought process of his initial attack and will either run or go ballistic. If he runs you have done what you have trained to do and it is over. If he goes ballistic the trained martial artist and the boxer have the advantage of self control still. Here is where the differences between a martial artist and a boxer come into play. If the ballistic attacker simply starts swinging he will be eaten alive by both the boxer and the martial artist, but if the attacker decides to wrestle/tackle you, then the differences become huge. No where in a boxers training is there anything about how to deal with someone if they grab you or take you to the ground! A boxer is taught to clinch when in trouble and wait for the ref to call break. A martial arts practicioner is taught how to throw someone to the ground trying to grab them and finish them off. He is also taught how to use elbows and knees in close situations and numerous pressure points that can cause extreme pain, paralysis, or death. He is taught moves which can be used to break bones, dislocate joints, or cause great pain. Self control is something that works to the advantage of both the defender and attacker. It works to the advantage of the defender, because he is thinking clearly about the over all situation and responding accordingly. How may you asks does it work to the attackers advantage??? Well, being in control of himself and not at the mercy of his own rage a martial artist has the control not to kill his attacker unless the situation warrants it. A short little story of how the martial arts has helped me in self control. The last fight I was in, I was out of control and would have killed the guy if friends had not pulled me off of him. I was 18 and just lost it. Since then I have studied Tae Kwon Do and am starting to study Hap Ki Do. Several years ago I had the misfortune of running into a lunatic on the road who some how decided I had done something terrible to him. To this day I have no idea what. Any how I stopped at a red light and this nut jumped out of his car to "get" me. I was able to exit my truck before he got to me. I blocked two of his punches and slipped the third, then I put the tip of my finger on his nose and told him "Get back in your car or I will kick your &#%!". The look on his face was unforgettable, there was a look of fear and amazement. He got back into his car, with his wife and two small children! I am thankful that I did not have to hurt this man in front of his children and wife. Self control is key! Martin (Still a newbie) ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:25:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 "........Geezzz... Real kickboxing, real karate, real TKD... I hope what I'm doing is real and not fake... :) Ray Terry....." I don't know, Ray. Do you suppose this is a "real" Net? I mean, how do I know that what I am sharing here would be accepted "on the street". Lets just suppose that one of those survey persons' at the local mall "jumps" me on the way to my car and begins to unload a flurry of penetrating questions about the recent election? How do I know that my counselors' training and university education will be able to provide an adequate defense? What if he slips a question in there about my religion or sexual preferences. Does his "street technique" merit an equivalent "street technique" from me about his parents or ancestry? Shouldn't the university have provided me more practical education that would prepare me for ambushes like this? Don't you think they are liable for failing to adequately prepare me for this? And what about pain and suffering for not being able to adequately fend-off questions from someone who does not have the "rank" that I have in education? Shouldn't we be discussing the rank and certification of these survey guys to determine if they are adequately trained to approach people and ask question? I think you have raised some important questions here, Ray. At least I am concerned enough that I am going to go home to my wife and verify that my marrriage is Real and of course there is the whole sex thing.... I wonder what the alternative would be there....which brings me to the question of just exactly how Real my step-kids are....... I have a pretty good idea that I am Real. That brings us back to you, Ray. Best Wishes, Bruce W(ith tongue planted firmly in cheek) Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:30:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: Dates or Figs ? > ... I am Real. That brings us back to you, Ray. I am but a FigNewton of my imagination... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:31:53 PST Subject: the_dojang: Huntin Master Hank > Are you affiliated with Master Murphy? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > >> > > Yes Ray, I'm affiliated with him. Perhaps he'd like to join our little forum. ??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:29:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: bouffaint THE QUESTION WAS: I have a question ... what is "bouffaint" ? THE ANSWER: I've always understood bouffaint to be a type of hairstyle, but checking in the dictionary I find "bouffant" to mean "puffed out; full; said of a skirt." So what I guess I meant was "big hair" or a hairdo that relies on hair spray to maintain its position. Sorry about the confusion. Just when you think you know your own language... I guess I never connect big hair with working out. Just my personal bias. Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:07:22 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #792 One observation that I have is that I have never seen a boxer practice a defence agianst sweep kicks to the legs, nor have I seen them block with their feet. Do they work on this in Kickboxing? John Murphy A-3-756 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:53:40 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #793 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.