From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #797 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 26 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 797 In this issue: the_dojang: holiday training the_dojang: Re: Chuck Norris the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #796 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #796 the_dojang: Re: Open/Closed for the Holidays the_dojang: Re: "True Art" the_dojang: Christmas greetings the_dojang: Re: intro the_dojang: Greybeards the_dojang: Merry Christmas the_dojang: online magazine the_dojang: Hello everyone the_dojang: Re: Hwrangdo & Hapkido Origins the_dojang: Grey Beards the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:59:42 PST Subject: the_dojang: holiday training Re training over the holidays... Remember what that great thinker Mae West once said, "Too much of a good thing is wonderful!". :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 12:35:35 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chuck Norris Chuck Norris was awarded an 8th Dan in the ITF by Gen. Choi Hong Hi this past spring. (Bob Wall and Bob(?) Chaney were also awarded 8th Dan.) This was an honorary certificate in service given to the Martial Arts world. Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: Wmakarate@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:24:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #796 In a message dated 12/25/00 12:28:39 PM, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Martial Musings, Robert W. Smith >> I also was somewhat disappointed with Martial Musings. However, his book Chinese Boxing, Masters & Methods, is one of my all time favorites, anecdotes from his training with many of Taiwan's top masters. Mike Anderson ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 15:49:23 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #796 In a message dated 12/25/00 1:28:13 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In the meantime I am beating myself up a bit going through soreness and even a pulled hamstring (due to my own foolishness). I'd appreciate any recommendations from other grey beards who practice. >> Must have Flex-All 454! Works great on this 44 year old! gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:57:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Open/Closed for the Holidays In a message dated 12/25/00 11:27:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I know I'm spoiled because I have a key to the dojang (and I set the policy on when there is class and when there isn't), but I could work out at home almost as easily. Do you not have that option? >> The last 2 weeks of the month of December ... our school is only open 3 days each week, as I need some time off to fix the school up (like this year I painted 2 walls, painted the railing and part of the counter that needed it, rearranged the pictures on the walls, moved the retail area to a different part of the room, bought and hung up a bigger bulletin board and hung it in the parents section, did a major vacuuming/dusting job thru the whole school, bought and set up 2 new/huge 5 shelving units for the back area and completely redid that area so there is more room for all the pads and other training stuff back there) ... and some time off to visit family and friends who live in faraway cities. Gives the school a whole new fresh look and feel for the New Year coming up. :-) And it allows the students to still work out some while I do all this. Most of the other schools out here are either closed for 2 weeks or 1 week at once. I like doing it this way better. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:05:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: "True Art" In a message dated 12/25/00 11:27:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << the true martial arts are in reallity designed to nwork in the last 2 of the categories above mentioned, and specially the last one, obviously there are many other things (meditation, self confidence,coordination, agility,health, longer life span,love of life[primordial etc)the martial arts can provide to a human being, but those thing remain secundary or are prerequisites or reinforcements to survival skills, for example, for an individual to survive a real life fight or combat it must have all of the above, plus the survival skills. >> "The True" ... makes me laugh alittle bit. For everyone joins into a martial art for different reasons. Even the Shoalin monks do not do martial arts with what you have in mind. Maybe at one time they did way long ago ... but now ? And what we are talking about is now. What do the people who join want now ? Maybe some have the same mindset as yours ... fine. Then there is a school out there for you ... for like minds will congregate together. For others it is for stress relief ... there is a school for them also. Some need it for discipline in their lives ... there is a school perfect for them maybe right down the block from them. But to call one a "true art" and one "not a true art" because of your own personal definition of it ? No, I don't think so. The words "martial arts" is a relatively new word to this ... just as the word "karate" is new to it. They didn't use those particular words for it way back when. Look up the names of all the old styles ... from way back when ... find out what they mean ... and did it have a martial meaning to it ? Illona ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:12:45 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Christmas greetings Dear all, Merry Christmas >> From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:38:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bruce Sims >>I have a pretty good idea thatI am Real. >>Best Wishes, >>Bruce W(ith tongue planted firmly in cheek) Sims Yes, but who signed your certificate saying you are Real? :-) Alain << I remember that a couple of years ago, expert programmes were all the rage as being the closest we could get to AI at the present time. Have you considered that you might be just an expert ma programme? After all the only proof we have of your existance is data sent across the electronic ether... :-) Andrew ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:58:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: intro hi lee! welcome to the list, and happy holidays! melinda kidder Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:04:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Greybeards A reader asks: > In the meantime I am beating myself up a bit going through soreness and even a > pulled hamstring (due to my own foolishness). I'd appreciate any > recommendations from other grey beards who practice. The most important advice I can share with you is to take it slow at first. Regardless of how this makes you feel mentally, come to terms with the fact that you have aged some and probably lost some flexibility. For us "senior folks" pulled muscles may take a long time to heal, and this often translates into lost time on the floor. In the end, such attempts to hurry often result into giving it all up because of self inflicted injuries. As an Instructor, I constantly have to remind returning adult martial artists to take it easy. In fact, I often try to give them some "rust removal" classes before turning them loose in regular class. Men especially, are often afflicted with a need to prove they can still "do it". You can; however, it may take more time than you initially think. There is no need to try and keep up with students who train regularly, and I know of no Instructor worth his salt who urges you to do so. Allow yourself to get back into shape before you try to do the acrobatics. Gradually work your way into the condition you need to participate in the regular class. This way, you might enjoy a long term martial art experience, instead of the few days training the folks get that ignore their own body signals. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: joneskh@purdue.edu Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:44:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Merry Christmas It's a little late, but I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas. PRetty soon, it'll be time to execute those New Year's resolutions! (Mine - to MAKE TIME for Taekwondo and exercise more. I've gotten soft...*poke poke poke*) All the best, ~kim ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:15:29 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: online magazine Dear Bruce Sims et al, Various list members have discussed starting an online ma magazine. You might find it useful to contact Matthew Sylvester who has trod this path in front of you. I have contributed to his online magazine a couple of times and I believe he has established a distribution list format. The most recent email addresses I have are: Matthew Sylvester pracmararts@hotmail.com There is also a link from my web page: http://homepage.dtn.ntl.com/colin.pratt/history.htm Hope that helps, Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Hugo Lorenson" Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:10:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hello everyone Hi y'all, I'm a 1st Dan WTF and I just joined the newsgroup several days ago. I look forward to getting to know all of you better, and learning from you all. Take care and season's greetings! Regards, Hugo Lorenson ------------------------------ From: JSaportajr@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:39:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hwrangdo & Hapkido Origins There is a bit of Korean martial arts history that I am torn about. If this has already been discussed, perhaps I can be referred to the appropriate issue of the digest. I just read an interview in black belt magazine with Lee, Joo-bang, head of Hwarangdo. He insists that he learned Hwarangdo first. Later he studied with Hapkido founder Choi, Young-Sool under who he attained Master's rank. He says that he subsequently left Hapkido because someone who had taken over the KHA was selling the rights to form a Kwan and rank to whomever could pay (who is this a swipe at?). So he returned to Hwarangdo and his previous Hwarangdo master. He insists that what he teaches today is not Hapkido but is Hwanrangdo, a separate and independent art that predated the introduction of Hapkido (or Daito-ryu) to Korea. While it may be influenced some by his Hapkido experience with the founder, it is 90% independent of Hapkido. The problem is, I don't know if I buy this. The techniques I see as examples of Hwarangdo look so much like Hapkido that it would be a stunning coincidence. Plus, this account doesn't square with what I have come to understand about the history of martial arts in Korea. There was very little surviving martial arts in Korea prior to the introduction of Japanese Karate, and later Hapkido via Daito-Ryu. Was there really a fully developed martial art, complete with kicking and with joint locks similar to Hapkido, predating all of this? I do not mean to be disrespectful, but other's have told me that the heads of Hwarangdo, and also Kuk Sool won, were actually Hapkido masters who just gave Hapkido a different name and perhaps a different twist and founded on new system based on this. I would appreciate any clarity from historians of Korean martial arts on this matter. Also, has Dr Kim (historian and Hapkido master) ever expressed an opinion on this? Jose' ------------------------------ From: Martin Price Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:49:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Grey Beards Lee, I know exactly where you are coming from, I took a fifteen year sabbatical from TKD and it has taken me awhile to start regaining my former stamina and flexibility. When I started back I was 30+ lbs above where I was when I quit. It took me only a month to work off the first 20 lbs, the rest of them are coming slower (AAARRGGHHHH). My flexibility is still far from what it was. I still can not kick head high, though I am up to shoulder highth now. I will be in the National Capitol Open this April, so I have really been pushing myself. The Open has a "Grey Beards" (45+) division so I should do all right considering I just turned 47. I have been fortunant enough to have one of our 3rd Dan instructors working with me one on one, once a week in addition to my regular classes to get my stamina, flexibility and speed back as rapidily a possible. I have set doing well in this tournament as a goal, goals I feel are an important thing in any part of life. If I get my clock cleaned it will still be a step in the right direction. My reflexes are still there, which after a 15 year lay off I thought would have slowed some, but during one of my one on ones, the instructor kept speeding the punches up until he finally stopped and said there really was no need to work on my blocking more at the time, because he said my reflexes were excellent and by April as far as blocks went I would be more than ready. This really surprised me, I would have thought after 15 years the reflexes would slow. My 8 year old twins take TKD also, which is great for the whole family. We all encourage each other and I help them all I can. In this day and age it is hard to find something that can be of interest to both parent and child. My biggest problem on the comeback trail is my feet. I am flat footed and at the end of many workouts the tops of my arches kill me. This is getting better though. If any one reading this has suggestions on speeding up my feet getting back in shape I would appreciate it. Happy and safe holidays to all, Martin one of the "Grey Beards" ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:27:45 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #797 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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