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The_Dojang-Digest             Sat, 30 Dec 2000          Vol 07 : Num 806

In this issue:

       the_dojang: grey beards
       the_dojang: What is Hapkido
       the_dojang: Yudo...again...ugh
       the_dojang: silat video
       the_dojang: more Yudo...
       the_dojang: Baby
       the_dojang: Re:   Virus Warning
       the_dojang: AOL 6.0 and HMTL email
       the_dojang: Re:   Yudo
       the_dojang: Re:   Regarding Yudo
       the_dojang: re: windows me and aol 6.0
       the_dojang: Re:   zen puzzle
       the_dojang: RE: GM Myung, Jae Ok follow-up
       the_dojang: GM Ji's new 8th DAN
       the_dojang: HNY!
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:32:57 EST
Subject: the_dojang: grey beards

the Sioux Nation has a word for those of us over 40......

Big Bellies.

not gary 

 <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/ckctaekwondo/index.html">New CKC Web Page
</A> 

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From: "Patrick L" <musashi1953@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:46:38 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: What is Hapkido

Dear Mr. Sims,

>What is Hapkido?<
Today - Hapkido is what GM Ji says it is.  As distressing as some may find 
it.

Some may ask - why Him?  Let me give you the short answer.  Him because I 
have read the "clarifying" posts you and others have offered on this 
subject. :)  Him, because all other choices suck more! :o

Some think that by questioning and nudging the "truths" about Hapkido and 
its origins, they can further their own goals of "leadership" in the Hapkido 
world.   What fools they are!  They only distract us from practicing this 
most WONDERFUL Martial Art. They only discourage those who might otherwise 
start Hapkido training.

Getting in the Way,

Patrick
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From: "Craig Stovall" <craigstovall@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:17:02 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: Yudo...again...ugh

Patrick wrote:

"I apologize for being obtuse.  It was my intention to encourage you to
lighten up on the Yudo story by putting it in a different perspective."

Breathing deeply...counting to ten...

Ok, here's my take on the Yudo "story".  Someone asked for opinions on Yudo. 
  I gave a cautioning statement about some of the history that gets kicked 
around.  Ray offered some comments in relation to my post.  I replied and 
offered some more thoughts.

I apologize if I come off as being blunt.  I prefer to think of myself as 
being plain spoken...I apologize if my delivery offends.

As far as my needing to "lighten up"...probably so...none of this nonsense 
is curing cancer after all so there's no need in getting TOO passionate 
about any bit of it.

As far as my needing a different perspective, I think my critique of Yudo's 
"history" is both fair and accurate.  Now before anyone accuses me of 
spreading lies or promoting an agenda, let's take a quick look at a couple 
of quotes straight from the U.S. Yudo Association's official website.

"Yudo is a traditional martial art. It came to Korea from China as a system 
of unarmed combat during the Koryo Dynasty."

"Yudo does not come from Judo, Yudo is Judo, but it is the style of Kodokan 
Judo taught by Jigoro Kano Sensei. What Kano taught during his lifetime is 
different, in many ways, from what Kanos students taught after Kano’s 
death."

Now, can someone please explain that double-speak nonsense because I 
honestly don't understand what they're trying to say.  The first quote would 
lead one to believe that Yudo comes from China, and is thus completely 
independent from Kano's Judo.  The second quote...you tell me because I 
don't speak gibberish very well.  First, it doesn't COME from Judo, but then 
it IS Judo, or more specifically it's KANO'S Judo.

What's the story?  This is exactly the type of historical information that 
I'm cautioning people about.  Don't take MY word for it.  Read it yourself 
and see if it makes sense.  What does your "gut feel" tell you about Yudo's 
relationship to Judo?

Trust me...I haven't given my REAL opinion as to why "Yudo", and more 
specifically the U.S. Yudo Association, was formed.  Nope, I'm keeping that 
to myself because I can tell already that there's going to be some major 
panties wadded up if I do.

Somebody asked a question...I offered an opinion.  If we need a more 
balanced perspective on this issue then I invite people to step up to the 
plate and offer some counterpoints.  Hell, maybe I'm wrong...I'm no scholar. 
  I just ask that people prove it with facts rather than lofting pot-shots 
from the peanut gallery.

I'm going to go lighten up now.
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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:44:16 PST
Subject: the_dojang: silat video

Forwarding to Eskrima, The_Dojang, and PMAA for Ron Balicki.

Ray
- ----------------------------------------------

Forwarded message:

From: RBalicki@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:23:11 EST

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to let everyone on the digest know that Maha Guru Victor De Thouars 
new video, "the Explosive Indonesian Art of Pencak Silat Serak" can be 
purchased at
www.pointmanproductions.com. The video also features Guru Dan Inosanto.
A must for every serious Silat Practitioner.

Thank you
Ron Balicki

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From: "David Salt" <headbanger@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:23:11 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: more Yudo...

I went to the Yudo website again and read something about how the art was
lost during the occupation of WW2 and how it is now being resurected.  But
I'm suspicious of any modern art that claims to be an old one.  How could
this be an old art if it comes from Judo and not classic Jujitsu.  And they
said that public schools were teaching it at one time.  So how could such an
art that was so popular be lost in the first place?
cheers,
David
headbanger@mindspring.com

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From: "Rudy Timmerman" <kwangjang@nkmaa.ca>
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 02:21:03 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Baby

Melinda writes:

> i'm gonna be offline for several days. the baby is on his way.

Hi Melinda.  Are you trying for a New Year Baby?  Best wishes for Mom, Dad,
and the newborn.

Sincerely, Rudy


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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:17:54 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   Virus Warning

> > This message was sent to me from the Conference
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> > ago. In view of the fact that I've received 2 other
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>
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i know its long, but i figured you guys would like to know.
frank

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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:19:45 EST
Subject: the_dojang: AOL 6.0 and HMTL email

According to the gurus at AOL the only way to send a plain text email message 
in 6.0, is to click on the explorer icon (or navigator) enter 
aolmail.aol.com. It can't be done from the program to date.

Hope this helps Ray.

Frank

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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:26:42 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   Yudo

It is my humble understanding that Yudo is basically the Kodokan Judo as it 
was intended to be. When MacAuthur issued the edict closing all dojo in 
Japan, the Kodokan was allowed to re open under mifune as it was a sport and 
ale to prove this. Judo was not intended to be a sport (draeger and otari)

To answer your question about necessary force.... necessary force is on the 
practitioner. you have to go by the reasonable man's standard, therefore if 
you study any art, and you take it overboard, you are in trouble. You have to 
remember that web sies have to be written so that everyone understands what 
they are seeing. I dont think the US Yudo Association, intended to infer that 
other arts do not comply, only sharing that theirs does comply, because not 
everyone is going to understand that martial arts meas to cease and 
conflict...

just my 2 cents
frank

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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:41:04 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   Regarding Yudo

I had the opportunity to briefly learn some things about yudo in 1998 while 
training at a Masters Camp. Grandmaster Connolly, a Yudo KJN, was there, and 
he taught a brief segment on Yudo... in fact I got the honor of being his 
uke... for those of you who do not know what an uke is, uke means "uh oh, 
this is really gonna hurt me :)" (just kidding-its the attacker, or the 
throwee or however you wish to describe the person being acted upon).

At no time, did kjn connolly indicate that yudo predate judo, actually he 
indicated that yudo was kodokan judo before kodokan juso became a full 
fledged sport under mifune.

for more information go to www.usyudo.org and ask the yudo people directly. 

frank

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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:44:58 EST
Subject: the_dojang: re: windows me and aol 6.0

they work fine together. we have both on an hp laptop and it works just 
fine... you just can't pos to the list without going to aolmail, outside of 
aol, and using your email. all aol 6.0 mail is html based... fun fun huh?

frank

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From: Migukyong@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:56:58 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re:   zen puzzle

chris, as an avid practitioner of chamzeong, i must ask you, why would you 
want an answer to a koan which would not be yours? doesn't that defeat the 
purpose? Train as though you hair is on fire (always loved that quote) and 
like you may die in the next econd... ie with all your being and you will be 
on the path.

i would advise asking dr kimm about specifics related to his puzzels.

frank

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From: RDNHJMS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:05:41 EST
Subject: the_dojang: RE: GM Myung, Jae Ok follow-up

Bruce,

<<Obviously some people stayed with Myung, Jae-nam (International Hapkido 
Federation) and others went with Myung, Jae Ok (World Hoi Jeon Moo Sool 
Federation). Following that, were both Kyo Sig Kang and Ki Dae Lee students 
of Jae Ok Myung?>>

Yes, they were both students of Myung Jae Ok, since they were little 
children.  As a matter of fact, when Ki Dae Lee died, it was like GM Myung 
had lost a son, and me a brother.

<<Do you see yourself as a direct student of GM Myung or a successor to M 
Kang (or Lee? or both?)>>

Master Kang is my teacher, and I will always be his junior.  The fact that I 
also receive training now with GM Myung will never change that.  The worst 
example of martial artist in my opinion is one that abandons his teacher.  
And in that, the worst case is one that betrays his teacher and goes directly 
to his teachers' teacher.  Betrayal is the worst sin in martial arts.  The 
legitimacy, or certification, that these type of people get is worth only the 
price of that airline ticket to Korea.  Worst yet, they have to live with 
this lie eating away at their soul for the rest of their lives.  Of course 
some people have no conscience, we see them everyday in the news (i.e. 
criminals).  Betrayal is morally wrong.  If you want to quit training with 
someone, do it early on, and don't wait until you have taken all you can from 
your teacher before betraying him.

I first studied in 1975 under GM Young Taek Yu, of Greensboro, NC.  He is 
still my teacher, and when I am anywhere in that part of the country, I 
always stop by and pay my respects.

<<Is the use of " Moo Sool" in the organizations title used in its broadest 
sense of "martial techniques" or it meant to bespeak some relationship with 
the philosophy or biomechanics of the Moo Sool Kwan?>>

Never heard of Moo Sool Kwan.  Hoi Jeon Moo Sool comprises 4 martial arts:  
Hoi Jeon Moo Do, Jok Sool Do, Kum Sool Do, Bong Sool Do.  All of these 
"techniques" in these arts make Moo Sool.  After I retuned to the states a 
few years ago, I realized that there were a lot of things being invented 
about martial arts in the U.S. that I don't know about.  What I find in the 
U.S. are instructors that spend 10% of their time practicing their martial 
art, and 90% intellectualizing about it.  I do know the techniques and 
philosophy of my art.  I came to my own realization when I studied in the 
middle east.  I honed my skills by getting the crap beat out of me 6 days a 
week during class (being the only non-arab. It's a masculinity thing with 
them), and I gave them my best shots.  But I gained their respect, and I 
respect them.  Together we are now brothers in the art we practice.

<<Do the biomechanics of the techniques of your organization reflect any of
the efforts of GM Myung Jae-nam to modify Hapkido with material from Aikido?>>

Yes.  Bigger circles than GM Ji's techniques.  However, they are the same 
techniques.  I have seen GM Ji's use them against multiple attackers, when he 
has to spin in a broader circle and use one opponent against another.  I see 
the main difference being timing.  For those that do or have studied Aikido, 
you know what I mean about timing.

V/R,
Rick Nabors
Always a student, sometimes a teacher (Don't remember who said that, but I 
like it)
Gee, it must be the holidays, that's why I have so much time to write.

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From: RDNHJMS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:38:41 EST
Subject: the_dojang: GM Ji's new 8th DAN

<>

Bruce,
I don't read the TAEKWONDO TIMES, so I'm not sure of the exact individual to 
whom you are referring.  However, I do know that Master John Beluschak was 
recently promoted by GM Ji.  And if it is he to whom you are referring, I 
would suggest that you take a little trip to PA to experience for yourself 
Master John's skills.  But please, let me know before you go, cause there is 
no way that I would miss it.

I think you would be better off congratulating Master John Beluschak than 
questioning his promotion.  And for that matter, questioning Dojunim for 
promoting him.    

V/R,
Rick Nabors


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From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:15:07 PST
Subject: the_dojang: HNY!

Wishing everyone a very Happy New Year!

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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