From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V7 #807 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 31 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 807 In this issue: the_dojang: Greetings Everyone! the_dojang: GM Ji's new 8th DAN the_dojang: Wat is Hapkido? the_dojang: Re: Hapkido and Yudo Re: the_dojang: What is Hapkido? the_dojang: Re: Zen puzzle the_dojang: RE: Promotions the_dojang: RE: The Balck Belt Magazine Letter the_dojang: RE: What is Hapkido? the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Dunphy" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:56:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Greetings Everyone! Hello everyone, I am new to this list and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Paul and I am a 26 year old male living in upstate New York, the Capital Region. I recently committed myself to Chung Do Kwan and I find it very invigorating. I was wondering if there are other subscribers to this list who also practice Chung Do Kwan style of TKD. Take it easy. Paul ------------------------------ From: "Mac" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:15:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: GM Ji's new 8th DAN Rick Nabors: <> I've met and did a seminar with Master Beluschak and enjoyed it very much. I believe list members Dan Rogers was also there, and possibly Dankin Burdick. I remember him telling me he was a student of Doju nim Ji Han-Jae. He and his wife were very nice people. I have a photo somewhere of us after our workout. Happy New Year! Mac ------------------------------ From: todd miller Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:29:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Wat is Hapkido? > Subject: the_dojang: What is Hapkido > > Dear Mr. Sims, > > >What is Hapkido?< > Today - Hapkido is what GM Ji says it is. As distressing as some may find > it. > > Some may ask - why Him? Let me give you the short answer. Him because I > have read the "clarifying" posts you and others have offered on this > subject. :) Him, because all other choices suck more! :o > > Some think that by questioning and nudging the "truths" about Hapkido and > its origins, they can further their own goals of "leadership" in the Hapkido > world. What fools they are! They only distract us from practicing this > most WONDERFUL Martial Art. They only discourage those who might otherwise > start Hapkido training. > > Getting in the Way, > > Patrick What is Hapkido? There are VERY few true Hapkido schools and organizations left. Most of what is called Hapkido is only Yu sool ( Korean for Ju jitsu), without the Hapki. I know this will make some defensive but it is the truth. Heck Ju Jitsu guys are not upset that they are not called Aiki-Jujitsu and Ju Jitsu is an effective Mudo just with out the Aiki. There are Grand master's that are senior in Hapkido to Master Ji whether people will acknowledge it or not. It is important to learn from the past so as not to make the same mistakes our ancestors made Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Assc. ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:55:56 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido and Yudo Just on observation from a Taekwon-Do person: The origin/history/who created what and when of these two arts seem to be more messed up than in Taekwon-Do! Very refreshing. Think I'll go and work on Moon-moo Tul, Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:49:27 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: What is Hapkido? > with out the Aiki. There are Grand master's that are senior in Hapkido > to Master Ji whether people will acknowledge it or not. Yes, there are a (very) few more senior in CHOI Yong-sool's Yawara than Hapkido's DoJu, JI Han-jae. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Todd Worth" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:05:09 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Zen puzzle Short answer: I have no idea.. My thoughts on this... It's a hard one to answer, there are really many 'correct' answers, but obviously there's one in particular that is wanted.. How many? 5 and 5, 5 and 1, 1 and 1, none and none, some and none, none and some, maybe even 5 and 25 (in a fist, each finger has the other four with it) it could be hello, goodbye, stop, a warning, a greeting, favourite number, how many times you hurt yourself in training, anything :) My answer, after thinking about it, would be to admit that I have no idea and ask for the answer. If the answer isn't given, then why ask the question in the first place, as little is learned? Although, I guess it gets you thinking, which isn't a bad thing at all... Food for thought indeed! > From: "Chris Hamilton" > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:49:41 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Zen puzzle > > Hello Everyone, > > It's been awhile since I've posted to this group, hope everyone is having a > good holiday. At the end of our last class Doju-nim Kimm challenged us to > explain the meaning of holding his hand up displaying five fingers. Nobody > had a clue, and he stated "maybe with another year training, you will > understand". He then asked, with his hand open, "how many?". Then he closed > his fist and asked "how many?", some people responded one, some said five. > Obviously neither was correct. Does anybody have a solution for this Zen > puzzle. My first assumption was that it related to the five senses, or > perhaps it means something as simple as goodbye. I'm perplexed, if anyone > could "enlighten" us, it would be appreciated, or maybe with another year > training we can draw our own conclusion. It may be relevant that this > question was proceeded by a lecture concerning "logic vs. instinct" > > kamsahamnida, > > Chris H. > Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:44:09 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Promotions Dear Rick: ".....I think you would be better off congratulating Master John Beluschak than questioning his promotion. And for that matter, questioning Dojunim for promoting him....." Perhaps you misunderstood the purpose for writing my contribution, so let me take a moment to sorta restate my intent. I think we have gone about as far as one can go in criticizing or second guessing the whys and wherefores of promotions especially in the rarified atmospheres of 7th, 8th and 9th dans. My purpose in citing this most recent promotion was to ask the readership in what way they see rank and certification related to ones' place in Hapkido lineage or history. Consider the following.... If a person trains their whole life with a single teacher, identifying that person as coming from that teacher/school is a no-brainer, yes? If a person trains for a number of years and gets guep rank and then switches to another teacher, what then? What tradition does that student belong to? If a person trains for a number of years and makes dan ranking and switches to another teacher or organization what tradition does he belong to? If a person moves from MA to MA and makes rank and joins a Hapkido school and then moves from organization to organization to make Hapkido rank where would such a person fit into Hapkido history? The question I am asking is not a request for a rationalization regarding a promotion. Rather, I am asking members of the Hapkido community to clarify to me at what point a person identifies themselves as a Hapkido practitioner, identifies themselves with a particular style or kwan, identifies himself with a particular teacher. I don't know Mr. Beluschak, and his skills are not the question. I have never met GM Ji and his intentions in promoting Mr Baluschak are not the question. The question I am asking is one concerning the nature of affiliation and association. I hope this helps. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:12:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The Balck Belt Magazine Letter Dear Ray: Thanks for recognizing my contribution to BLACK BELT magazine. I must tell you in all honesty, however, that the letter that was printed was very different from the letter I wrote. If you would be interested, I would be willing to submit the original letter for interested individuals to read. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:10:39 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: What is Hapkido? Dear Patrick: "....Today - Hapkido is what GM Ji says it is. As distressing as some may find it....." As much as you could try, I don't think your answer could be more wrong. Hapkido has come a long way from being defined solely as the product of GM Ji, just as "karate" is no long solely defined as the art organized by OS Funakoshi. In its most narrow definition one could say the "hapkido" is whatever GM Ji says it is, but you would then need to disenfranchize all other students of both GM Choi and GM Jang who also learned (and sometimes teach) arts which share a joint heritage with Daito-ryu and Korean traditions as well as honor the Hapkido's Three Principles. By way of extension, there are also those derivatives of GM Choi and GM Jang (ie. HwaRangDo, Kuk Sool, Han Pul) which are also "hapkido in its broadest sense. I also think that you do a disservice to people who are "..questioning and nudging the "truths" about Hapkido and its origins..." Had many of the leaders of the Hapkido community done a better job in leadership by honestly transmitting the art with all of its shortcomings and blemishes, perhaps many people would not have to "question and nudge". In case you had not noticed the nature of Hapkido as an art has become such a tangled web of cross-purposes and mis-information that most people choose not to ask any questions but rest comfortably with whatever material tumbles back and forth through the MA community. I would be careful, then, to place responsibility where it belongs. In the research I have done for these last few years I have found many more young, interested Hapkido practitioners willing to take an honest open-eyed approach to their art than many old GM who are still playing "I gotta secret". I have found nothing in their efforts to tell me that they are interested in "furthering their goals of leadership" or that they are fools. On a more personal note, Patrick, I will share with you that at one time in my Hapkido career I held a very narrow view of both Hapkido specifically and Korean Martial tradition in general. By this I mean that I held very tenaciously to a few simple facts, identified a few personalities, and never asked questions. The resurrection from this intellectual coma was both wonderful and painful. I would encourage you to invest yourself in acquiring a deeper understanding of both the art and its heritage, knowing that you are the next generation to carry the torch. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:48:14 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V7 #807 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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