From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #7 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 5 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 007 In this issue: the_dojang: it's a GIRL!! the_dojang: Just a good looking floor ??? the_dojang: Removed the_dojang: Hair the_dojang: Re: Puzzle mats the_dojang: Puzzle mats the_dojang: Largest Martial Arts Facility? the_dojang: Re: Mats the_dojang: RE:What is Hapkido the_dojang: Re: Book List the_dojang: Re: Skipping the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #6 Re: the_dojang: RE:What is Hapkido ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:36:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: it's a GIRL!! Congratulations Melinda: Hope you and the family are doing well. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:49:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Just a good looking floor ??? In a message dated 1/4/01 8:18:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Why is this ???? Just a good looking floor ??? Ratty looking walls? Nothing to kick? No advertising ??? No mirrors ? Why not ? Illona >> Not "just a good looking floor." A functional floor. The best is a Swain (or comparable) flooring system, seamless. Why? Because nothing else is really important to a Hapkido dojang. Everything else is fluff, decoration, disguise. The very best Aikido dojo I have been to is a warehouse. When the dojo is open, the garage door is up. Nothing in the place costs more than $5, except the mat. A great "training" hall. Training is training time, not putting make-up on in the mirror, fancy curtains on the windows. Don't get me wrong, the place should be clean and sanitary. Equipment to kick and punch is good too. But adding all the other fluff is distracting from training. Might as well be a dance studio. Hey, maybe I could do that. Mike Tomlinson and Javier Agosto could be my dance partners. Mike, would you join me in a little dance step? V/R, Rick Nabors ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:08:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Removed Bruce writes: > I know of 5 sound resources that I could trust to > provide a reasonable representation of the Hapkido art, and even these five > resources do not agree and they are only a single generation removed from GM > Choi!!! Precicely my point Bruce. As long as the information is in such state, why bother looking under the hood. I'm just happy that the engine still runs. However, I DO appreciate the dialogue. I only hope it does not make adversaries, and it looked as though this was fast becoming a possibility. Sincerely, Rudy, Sa Ja Nim ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:14:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hair JR writes: > I know of 5 sound resources that I could trust to > provide a reasonable representation of the Hapkido art, and even these five > resources do not agree and they are only a single generation removed from GM > Choi!!! Hello JR: I just could not let this one go by. I had been asked the same question, and the answer is becoming (painfully) clearer the older I get. In a few more years, I'll be able to say "none" and prove it. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Seadoo76@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:25:10 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Puzzle mats We have the puzzle mats in our new taekwondo gym. We have the one inch type and have had them a year now. We have taken them up several times to take to tournaments and they seem to be holding up great. We bought two colors and laid out rings in the gym for sparring class. We haven't had to much problem with the rolling of the toes. Only a couple times it has happened, one being me though. During testing of course. Broke my big toe right before I was to break boards. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:08:31 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Puzzle mats Dear Gregory, We have had puzzle mats in our dojo for about 3 months. There have, apparently, been numerous injuries with people catching their toes in the mat joins. Our floor is unsprung (having a concrete base) and people have also complained that it hurts to roll (I disagree. I think it teaches us to roll BETTER. The good students who have trained on these mats have noticeably improved in their rolling technique). It was announced last night that our mats will be replaced next week. Perhaps puzzle mats are suitable for TKD type arts where shoes/slippers are permitted. They are not helpful for yudo/Hapkido type martial arts. Hope that helps, Andrew ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:35:28 EST Subject: the_dojang: Largest Martial Arts Facility? Does anyone know what the largest martial arts facility in the world is? And how big it is? How about in this country? Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:26:54 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mats In a message dated 1/4/2001 5:18:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << They definitely do not replace my Tiffin mats for teaching beginners how to fall and techniques with falls but they are great for my advanced students for falling and techniques. >> I love my Tiffen mats and wouldn't trade them for any others. Will continue buying them for the school. I use the 5x10' size with the 2' panels for folding them and putting them aside when we do other things. I just need a good crash mat now. What thickness do any of you that do falls recommend ? 8 inches good enough ? Illona ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:53:39 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:What is Hapkido Dear Patrick: Thank you for your responses. I was thinking as I was reading your material that we may be missing a golden opportunity in this dialogue. As with anyone else, I can always appreciate an opportunity to reduce a workload, even one that I have assumed voluntarily. Patrick, I will tell you honestly that doing research into the art of Hapkido takes time and effort and the extent of the project can be daunting. So you will understand I am sure, if what I suggest is somewhat self-serving. In the course of my research I have occasion to speak with any number of individuals regarding the nature, origins and character of Hapkido, whether as training, a way of life or a Korean Martial tradition. Often, in these discussions I find the same questions routinely come up. Using your definition, which apparently characterizes GM Ji as the ultimate authority on an arrt which you attribute to him and only him (".....its whatever he says it is...") perhaps GM Ji would like to comment on the five most commonly asked questions regarding "his" art. Since I can't expect you to speak for him, I would be willing to accept abstracts from his writings, citations, even transcripts from video tape. By your definition his authority holds sway over 3 major Hapkido organizations in Korea and no less than four here in the US as well responsibility for guidance of thousands of Hapkido practitioners. Perhaps it would not too much to ask that GM Ji take this opportunity to do no more than what any other MA authority such as OS Funakoshi, OS Kano, GM Myung and others, has done historically. The five most commonly asked questions I have found are as follows. 1.) In what manner does Hapkido relate biomechanically to the art of Daito-ryu aiki-jujitsu? 2.) What were the influences and circumstances surrounding the derivation of Hapkido from yu sool? 3.) What were the circumstances and influences which produced the splintering and multiple Hapkido organizations of the 70-s? 4.) What efforts are being made by the Hapkido leadership to reconcile with the various claims made by assorted individuals to the succession to GM Choi? 5.) What efforts are being made by Hapkido leadership to upgrade the art and its curriculum and reduce commercial influences and concerns? Of course, Patrick, the questions I have submitted are but categorizations of many smaller questions which art part and parcel of one (or more) of the questions above. Still, I think it is a starting point. Certainly this venue would reach many influential members of the Korean MA community who have had a long-standing interest in these issues. And since you definiton charaterizes GM Ji as the embodiment of Hapkido it is perhaps not so much to ask of him, ne? Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:03:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Book List The three volumes by Kim Jeong Rok and the KKW Textbook appear to be the same book. Don't know what's up there, but they look an AWFUL lot alike. (Other than the three volumes, but the Kim books come in a single volume as well) There is a lot of information in GM Choi's condensed book, but unless you have been through the program and can use it to spark your memory, the condensed book is a tough read. And if you are new and not an ITF student, it will certainly confuse you. While diversity in learning is great, sometimes material needs to wait a bit. For excellent illustrations of ITF basic forms, GM Joon Rhee's books are great, and the clothes are almost back in style again! Rick Foley ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:57:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Skipping > > > From: MissIllona@aol.com > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:44:01 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Skipping ..... > > In a message dated 1/4/01 12:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << Skip buying the mirrors for the walls. Skip buying the advertising or > signs > for the road. Skip the A/C, heat, punching bags, kicking targets, paint on > the walls. But don't go cheap with the flooring system. >> > > Why is this ???? Just a good looking floor ??? Ratty looking walls? > Nothing to kick? No advertising ??? No mirrors ? > > Why not ? Personally, I do not like the mirrors. I know they help in looking at your mistakes but it is also a problem with girls who vain. I was constantly catching one girl looking in them to check her hair and such when she should have been concentrating on doing her form or kick correctly. Nor could she stand in a decent chun-bi position very long. I also worry about some kid putting their foot through them someday. The ones we have are a tinfoil type and some kids keep on poking holes in them but the glass ones, ooooo. Donna ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:19:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #6 In a message dated 1/4/01 7:19:00 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << To be on the floor to coach at AAU events, you must be a certified AAU coach. In addition, to make certain our event runs smoothly with outstanding officiating, we are asking each school to send at least two of their Black Belts to become certified as an AAU official >> When my school does tournaments, we usually do area wide open tournaments. We've done a few AAU ones also. My comment and question on the AAU is this. If I volunteer (donate my time FREE) to be a coach or an official, why am I required to pay money to do so? I think we paid $30 each to be a coach! Plus had to spend 20 on an AAU t-shirt. What gives? gary pieratt ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 7:17:42 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE:What is Hapkido > The five most commonly asked questions I have found are as follows. > ... Ummm, you MUST be kidding... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #7 ****************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.