From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #14 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 8 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 014 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 the_dojang: Hapkido uniforms the_dojang: RE: Matt Furey's Combat Conditioning the_dojang: Re: Photos the_dojang: Re: Snowed in in Inchon; plowed in Cebu the_dojang: RE: raising them in the dojang/Melinda the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #10 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #11 the_dojang: History the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:11:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 Bruce Sims wrote: whatall can you tell me about Mr. Inn-seok Pak? Is this another contemporary of GM Jang and GM Choi or did you mean that his Japanese father who practiced Daito-ryu would have been a Choi/Jang comtemporary. Any information you could provide would beat what I have now--- which is zip. My reply: That's what most of us have. I've done a lot of digging and although I have some ideas, there is not a lot I can confirm one way or another. GM Pak was, I believe, a contemporary of Moo-Woong Kim and was closely associated with him. GM Pak was once a top-ranking kuksulwon instructor but became disassociated with GM Suh. To his dying day, GM Pak claimed that he and Moo-Woong Kim had founded Kuksulwon and that GM Suh had stolen it from them (probably while they were in the army Carsten -- GM Pak was probably the same age as Kim.). There are photos of GM Pak, GM Joo-Bang Lee, and GM Suh sitting around a campfire together in Korea during the 1960s. The relationship was supposed to have been very close. All I know for sure though, is that GM Pak was a great technician. I've interviewed several of Pak's students, but his history is very difficult to sort out. Rudy Timmerman was Pak's student in Canada for a long time. Rudy, can you help us out here? What did you know of GM Pak's history? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:14:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 In a message dated 1/7/01 2:50:36 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: crouching tiger hidden dragon Some of you on this list may be interested in this film, I've just been to see it and it is wonderful. It has lots of fight sequences typical of Hong Kong action flicks with Michelle Yeoh (who stars in this also), but has a dreamlike cinematic quality that take it from action movie to pure artistic experience. Anyway, I bet the tough folks on this list won't cry half as much as I did at the end. Donnla. - --------------- >> is the film in English? or is it subtitled? I'll go either way, just curious. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:15:41 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #13 In a message dated 1/7/01 2:50:36 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << gary... two words: Civil Liability. Americans just love to sue. Need I say more? Frank >> touche! gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:48:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido uniforms After the ROK gained its independence from Japan in 1945, the Korean war broke out a few years later. Then once you think everything is getting back to normal the Vietnam war comes on the scene. I am told that the black dobok is worn because of training during these wars. I was also told that the yudo dobok or white judo type uniform was the first dobok that Choi was given (as he did not have one) when first teaching in the ROK. This was given to him by his first student who held dan ranking in judo. Almost everyone I have talked to wears the color dobok that they first trained in, yours truly included. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:56:39 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Matt Furey's Combat Conditioning Ray wrote: "Anyone following Matt Furey's Combat Conditioning routines?" I have a copy of Matt's book titled 'Combat Conditioning'. Pretty good stuff...but a bit overpriced. I think I paid $35 including S&H. IMHO, it's overpriced by about $10. The quality of the book is not what you would expect for that kind of money. Looks like he had the thing made at a local print shop. The information is great, and the hindu squats have become a major part of my routines. The entire thing is nothing but bodyweight exercises, but the exercises shown are varied and I picked up a few exercises I had never seen before. The "core" exercises are hindu squats, hindu pushups, and bridging. Furey refers to these as the "Royal Court", and they form the basis of his entire conditioning routine. I can attest to the effectiveness of the hindu squats. The strength, flexibility, and endurance in my hips and legs have GREATLY increased. My only advice would be to start out VERY slow with these types of squats. They're hell on the knees in the beginning, but now my knees are much stronger and I have no pain in them whatsoever. I don't care much for the hindu pushups as I prefer regular pushups much more. I haven't incorporated the bridging exercises to a great degree as of yet, but I have some friends that I correspond with who have used the bridging exercises with great success. Again, caution has to be used since these movements put incredible strain on the body. A friend of mine has added about 2 inches to his neck, and he says "I feel like I have two bands of steel growing out of my butt and up my back". By this he means the exercises have GREATLY strengthened his back. If you want to see Furey's stuff, I say get his book. Don't get the videos because they are WAY overpriced, and I doubt they'll be anymore helpful than the book. If you're dead set on getting a video, then I'd suggest getting the one made by Karl Gotch himself. Gotch is Furey's mentor, and the origin of everything Furey is currently "selling". As anyone who has followed Furey's career can tell you, he reinvents himself very often. This "Combat Conditioning" thing he's shilling right now is very new, as Furey has only been aligned with Gotch for about 18 months or so. If I may make a suggestion...also check out Scott Sonnon's materials at www.amerross.com. Of particular interest are his "Grappler's Toolbox", "Warrior Wellness", and "Zdorovye" tapes. I have not purchased these as of yet, but have heard nothing but rave reviews from very trustworthy sources. According to some, the information he's dispensing is priceless. These may be of interest to someone so I'm passing this info along. As always...let the buyer beware. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:11:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Photos I am writing this for Mr. McDonough. I am his butler. He is currently in the basement meditating. He does not want to be disturbed. He advises me that he will forward photos from his forthcoming trip to Cebu, Philippines in the January through February 01 time period. Mr. McDonough's in laws in Cebu have arranged for him to meet the Canetes. Apparently, Mr. Florido knows the Canetes. This will be an honor and a privilege for Mr. McDonough to possibly learn from honored Masters. Mr. McDonough wanted me to advise you that he is in training arduously. He has lost a few pounds. This loss of weight is needed to compensate for the huge quantities of San Miquel beer, Chicken Adobo, Lechon, fruits, and Pancit he will absorb. As you can tell he is trying to reach Nirvana. He wants all of you to know that he is a changed man. He will accept donations. Signed, Mr. McDonough's Butler (aka, Bo Bo) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Snowed in in Inchon; plowed in Cebu Mr. McDonough wanted me to pass this on to you. James, the Butler: "Ah, I love the weather. I recall this time of the year in Osan, and Seoul. Very cold. Had to have a few coats made at Camp Casey to chase away those cold days. Reminded me of a lousy Chicago winter's day in January. Nothing to write home to tell mom about. This is why I choose to visit Cebu, Philippines during this time of the year. While some will be shoveling snow. I will be plowed. Literally. Yes, on the beach with a San Miguel in one hand, and an erotic novel in the other. I will partake in some martial arts training and then relax under the balmy weather of the Pacific Ocean. In fact, my brother in law owns this house right on the ocean with his own private beach. Can you imagine ? Last time I was jet skiing across the ocean. Then we shopped at the local fish market. I think we payed $5.00 for a basket full of crabs and fish. We sat around the table eating fish, crabs, lobsters--all caught that day from the beautiful and warm ocean. Then we practiced martial arts on the warm sand on the beach. Stopped for a few San Miguels and went horse back riding. It is all a matter of climate. Snow in Ichon, Korea, or the warm sun, a San Miguel and sand in Cebu. The choice is yours. Although I do enjoy skiing. Alain, have fun in snowy Korea. Remember, travel safe, stay sane, and keep practicing. McD..." - --- Alain Burrese wrote: > Hey all, > > Thought I would drop a little not to everyone to say hello. Korea is > great, > it is very nice to be back. However, the weather is not cooperating very > > well. Yesterday there was a big snowstorm all over. We still made it to > > Inchon (to one of Yi Saeng's sister's) in Yi Saeng's brother's 4WD. > Today, > it was nice out in Inchon, but still snowing over in Kangwon-do, where > Kangnung is. No buses were running to Kangnung, the pass is closed. > > We are hoping the pass opens tomorrow and we can get to Kangnung to > another > of her sister's and for me to get to my HKD instructor's new school. I'm > > itching to do some training. > > The food has been great, just as I knew it would be. Spending time on > the > flight and some in free time working on a new book I've started and > working > on some speeches. > > Not sure if I'll have access to a computer in Kangnung or not, so till > next > time, hope you are having as good a time as I am. > > Stay Safe, > Alain __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:39:02 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: raising them in the dojang/Melinda Melinda, As far as raising kids in the dojang: from what I have witnessed, please think about the following: - - do not let your kids have free run of the place, they still need to have supervision, or you may find them hanging out on TOP of a wavemaster sometime, or worse, lying at the base of one unconscious. - - TV/videos are great to keep the kids attention, but Barney and the Blues Clues definitely create a different atmosphere in the school, as do all those interesting toys that happen to make it there - - Having lower ranks "watch" you kid may seem like a good idea, but others may not understand that those folks MAY have volunteered - it just may appear they were TOLD to watch your kids, or that they have some special privilege that others do not. - - Having a baby in the school attracts attention - the students who may have normally been warming up before class, are now standing around googling - - Just because the kid has an instructor parent does not make them a 'natural' or somehow a better Martial Artist than the other students - however, there will be those who will think this way - - Above all, the Martial Arts have taught us about responsibility - in the grand scheme of things, our kids should be much more important than our Martial Art passions. I recently made a very hard decision to focus my time on the family and our son, and put MA on hold (after 20 years, Certified Instructor, etc). They are only this age once, it would be such a shame to miss it! I found myself teaching differently, with less focus, on those rare occasions when my family stopped by. It was not deliberate, but real none the less, and it was not fair to the students. I really think this is very important to think about and make sure that any decisions are not only made for the right reasons, but that those decisions are reassessed from time to time to ensure the same decision is still appropriate. I hope this helps some. Good luck, Mark Lasich mark.lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:41:53 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #10 I had said: ><< When I have seen someone fall during free sparring there was never an >injury as a result and mats always seemed superfluous to me for this >reason. > >Maybe this has something to do with insurance companies? > >Any insights would be appreciated. >> To which Sally replied: >There probably wouldn't be any major problem if everyone was wearing full >gear every time sparring was practiced, but there can be and have been >major injuries when unprotected bodies hit hard floors unexpectedly. Also, >even if you "know how to fall," in TKD it's possible to be knocked out; so >how do you fall properly if you're not conscious? > >Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com Certainly you're not saying that IN CLASS there are people who are getting knocked out, are you? While I see the necessity of training for WTF-style competition (IF you're going to regularly compete at trying to knock someone out at a local tournament, I guess) class knock-outs are one more reason why I would hesitate to engage in this activity. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:53:12 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #11 I had asked: >>I was wondering if someone can enlighten me as to why so many Taekwon->>Do >>dojangs have mats. T. Kennelly answered: >At the TKD school I attend we are taught forward rolls, backward >rolls, >and break falls therefore we need the mats. In addition when >advanced >students are practicing creative self defense (i.e., make up >your own >combination of moves in response to punches, kicks, >grabs,...) the mats >are used for take downs. This is the same at my instructor's school. However, most of the people seemed to be talking about mats that were lon the floor all the time and were causing problems during basic kicking drills and sparring. Yes, if you're going to do break fall and throws get out the mats (at least if people are going airborn), but I still think the problems outweigh the perks for mats in sparring. Taekwon, Chris "Every experience of beauty points to infinity." Hans Urs von Balthasar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:00:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: History Mr. Simms My post was meant for you to possibly be introspective as to where you are going with all of this posting. I feel that if you contact numerous Hapkido Grand Masters and get the info from them as they see it then your work will be more credible and precise. To ask students of these GrandMasters to answer questions about them is getting the info second hand at best. I am looking at this as a pure valid or invalid endeavour. So far I see it as invalid. No disrespect intended but you must follow a certain thread of continuity in your research,,the primary source is always the most important, and valid. So far I don't see that you have even contacted one of them. Michael Tomlinson ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 7:11:12 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #14 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.