From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #20 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 10 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 020 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Hindu Squats & Pushups the_dojang: Re: Full protective gear and realistic fightin' the_dojang: re: falling on mats the_dojang: Master Instructor's curriculums and other modern day thoughts the_dojang: Fighting teachers, astronauts and target shooting the_dojang: Sitting around a campfire the_dojang: Re: Help needed on Three Points the_dojang: Flu the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~999 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Bennett" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:05:25 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hindu Squats & Pushups Craig Stovall wrote: > The hindu squats are the "bathaiks", and the pushups are the > "dands" (cat stretches). Now THAT was a good post! Good info! Thank you Craig! ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:28:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Full protective gear and realistic fightin' - -One digest poster stated, in part: Response: Being serious for a moment. What constitutes full protective equipment? Are you talkin bout those Macho or Century pads and slightly protective equipment or are you talking about completely donning protective gear and going at it with an opponent for a coupla minutes as if you were in a real fight with no constraints ? I seriously ask this since I have pondered purchasing one of Tony Blauer's custom made protective gear suits and teaming up with one of my family members and going at it as though you were in a "real" street fight. I understand this process helps you train differently than a sparring session with some modicum of rules. If any members here have purchased or participated in the Blauer suit program or similar products please advise on: a. Integration of the suits for realistic applications. b. Value and opinions on the applications of same. Cheers, McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Simmons Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:50:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: falling on mats Gary said: << Christopher Spiller asks: I was wondering if someone can enlighten me as to why so many Taekwon-Do dojangs have mats. At the TKD school I attend we are taught forward rolls, backward rolls, and break falls therefore we need the mats. In addition when advanced students are practicing creative self defense (i.e., make up your own combination of moves in response to punches, kicks, grabs,...) the mats are used for take downs. >> There are no mats on the street. So why practice with mats? gary pieratt My response: A street encounter (hopefully) only occurs once. Throwing/falling drills (hopefully) happen several times a week. I think you get a lot more participation, and much fewer injuries, and more realistic efforts if you practice with mats. Respectfully, - - -JW - ------------------------------ At our school (TKD), we do practice falling on mats. From my previous Hapkido experience, I also use the mats (I'm 52 years old) to keep the dents in my body to a minimum. HOWEVER, I often practice my falls on the carpet which is a lot harder than the mat. It's OK for me because I know how to fall. But for others in our class, it would not be a good way to learn falling. Some of the more advanced sutdents try falling on the carpet. Most go back to the mat to reduce the pain factor. - -Ray - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:07:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Master Instructor's curriculums and other modern day thoughts Nice to follow the history tread. In sum, GM Choi to GM Ji, branches off to other students in Korea. Master Instructors migrate to US and other countries spreading art. Some Americans sponsor GM's. Various Hapkido organizations and branches subsequently ensue--as in any other permutation. Along this path Hapkido principles are modified. Internet arrives. Many communicate and continue to share divergent thoughts on origins of Hapkido. Have enjoyed following the treads on multiple interpretations of Hapkido history. Will continue to follow various interpretations. Keep up the details and divergent thoughts on this important and ongoing topic. Meanwhile, can someone here tell me what is most relevant to them in the here and now, i.e., a. What do they consider important teaching philosophies in their respective dojangs. b. Should old traditions be changed or modified. c. How do you publish advancement to promotion information to students. d. Do you consider the modern training principles of other martial arts applicable to Hapkido, e.g., would a video tape on learning how to counter punch and ring strategy be applicable to your Hapkido school. Digressing further. It is often observed by me that people tend to romanticize far away distance places and cultures. For example, the Korean culture is wonderful. Very homogenous. However, the Korean urban areas in particular are dirty, pollution in industrial sections make you cough as you drive thru, and they are building apartment buildings directly into mountain sides to accomodate the over population. Not much different than some U.S. urban areas--although our environmental controls are more sophisticated. Do you believe that Korea is a vastly superior place to live than what is offered in the U.S. ? Just curious about the romanticizing versus what I deem reality. For example, when I visit the provinces of the Philippines and see that many people still live in grass huts I thank my lucky stars that I live in this country. No place like it on earth. So, if a few readers can answer several of these questions I would be appreciative. This post is not a denigration of discussion. Just wondering what people thinking about on various related topics. Many thanks, Ken McD... P.S. A very respected Master Hapkidoists on this list once commented on mats, re: "The Mat is Your Friend." So, go to your search engine press mats, make a matrix, and make a list of advantages of puzzle mats versus Swain, Marathon, or other mat companies. Make an informed decision based on your needs and applications. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Dave Weller Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:33:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Fighting teachers, astronauts and target shooting > "Shaun M. Fortune" Posted: >Just for clarification, I was not making reference in any way to tournaments >or tournament competition. I was only referring to "self-defense" on the >"street", whatever you all think that may be. (That's another opinion unto >itself. :) > >For further clarification, *I* am the instructor of which I speak. I >mentioned to one of my seniors (in rank, not age) in hapkido the other day >in class that I had never been in a fight and he was utterly shocked. Of >course, he is one of those that (I think) tends not to avoid some situations >which he may be able to. Maybe he is still in that stage that Master >Timmerman was referring to. :) > I have these questions/thoughts: Have the people that trained the astronauts all been in space themselves? Do I need to actually shoot someone to know that my skills with the .357 are adequate for self defense? Are the best athletic coaches also the best players? My thought is that the simulated fighting in that we do in the Dojang should be adequate for most (some would say all) self defense situations. I would much rather face a street thug than my 230 LB. Fifth Dan instructor. He could HURT me,....... Bad! I really don't want to learn martial ARTS from a street thug, or bully. As Master Timmerman notes, the arrogance of the average bar room brawler precludes them from being good instructors, until that arrogance is tempered by the ART they practice. I will concede that the experiences of those who have been "in the trenches" like Master Timmerman and Mister Burrese is invaluable to their students, but being a "fighter" is not a prerequisite of teaching skills in the martial arts (in my very humble and always open to correction opinion). If martial arts were just about "fighting" we'd be learning something totally different in our Dojangs and we would be reduced to nothing more than killers, and brutes. In my mind the Philosophical and Spiritual aspects of martial arts are every bit as important as the pugilistic aspects. If you have the knowledge Mr. Fortune, pass it on! It is much better to have the knowledge and skill to win a fight, but turn and walk away, than to look for trouble and injure someone for no good reason. Dave Weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi ------------------------------ From: Carsten Jorgensen Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:55:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Sitting around a campfire Dakin: >> There are photos of GM Pak, GM Joo-Bang Lee, and GM Suh sitting around a campfire together in Korea during the 1960s. The relationship was supposed to have been very close. << Yes...did you read about the Kuk Sool Hwe? Carsten Jorgensen hwarangdo@email.com Copenhagen, Denmark - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: Carsten Jorgensen Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:58:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Help needed on Three Points >> I am using (...) The result is what you see in my Tree on my website. Does this logic appear sound? << Yes, but it makes the history much more complicated than necessary. And I do think both trees should be considered "work in progress"... >> Dr Kimm references Suh, I.H. (HAPKIDO, pg 61) as teaching Kuk Sool Won in Pusan in 1958 and "visiting" Kim, Moo woongs' school after GM Kim was drafted. << I've only read GM Kimm's chapter on GM Lee. GM Suh meet GM Lee when GM Lee was teaching at GM Kim Moo-Hong's school (as I wrote in one of the last posts (digest #11)). Funny how everything fits together when you know the background. >> From Rays' contribution I have come to understand that Sin Moo Hapkido was not the art of the Sung Moo Kwan but proceeded from the Sung Moo Kwan experience. This being the case I wonder if it would be more fair and accurate to have two lines for GM Ji. << It would probably make GM Ji's lineage much easier to follow and list. I would suggest directly from GM Choi -> An Mu Kwan -> Sung Mu Kwan and then a brance to Shin Mu. Then you can add GM Ji's students as they started new Kwans...? Carsten Jorgensen hwarangdo@email.com Copenhagen, Denmark - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ From: hogwldfltr@cs.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:05:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Flu Hello All, I went into the new year at a pretty break neck pace in life. Suddenly the day after new years I caught a bug in spite of having had a flu shot. Now over one week later getting through work is about all I have energy for. Any recommendations on how to get over the flu hump and get back to practicing. I had planned to go to Hapkido class last night but as class time came around I just wanted to sleep. Hopefully tonight I'll have some energy to do some light lifting. My only solution to date has been rest and missing one day of work. Best regards, Lee (A grey beard in Tucson) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:22:26 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #20 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.