From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #29
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The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 14 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 029
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #28
the_dojang: Hapkido Lineage?
the_dojang: Background Checks
the_dojang: RE: Background Checks
the_dojang: Background Checks
the_dojang: Martial Soft ?
the_dojang: .
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:38:52 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #28
In a message dated 1/13/01 10:19:40 AM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< << Any of you instructors out there (or your teachers for the students)
that
do
background checks on a potential student prior to beginning instruction?
Pros? Cons? with that experience. >> >>
I live in a very small town, only 2100 people and only about 10,000 in the
county. My police officer students usually know if anyone has been in trouble
with the law, in this county anyway. Doesn't cover past crimes in other
areas though....
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: Bernard G Redfield
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:32:41 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Lineage?
Hello List,
I was gladd to be able to view the Hapkido Lineages at:
http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd/hapkido.htmlink
but....
Where is the Lineage for Dr. Jung Hwan Park who trained Directly under
Yong Shul Choi??
and trained Mike Wollmershauser, and so on...
Just curious
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From: KACraneTKD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:40:00 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Background Checks
Doing background investigations (BI) on perspective students has its pros and
cons...no pun intended! Without going into much detail, it can be good
because the dojang owner will know (maybe) if the wanna be student has a
problem. Of course, how extensive will this BI be...police reports, credit
checks, interview of references, etc.? How much are you willing to spend?
You could require, say, 16 year olds and up, to obtain a criminal history
record check and child abuse check from the State Police such as we can do in
Pennsylvania. It's not too expensive, and you could have the new student pay
for the checks.
The good thing about any kind of BI is that you can (maybe) weed out
potential problem students. A negative impact is that doing a routine BI on
every new student can leave a bad taste in the mouth(s) of the new student(s)
and can become cost prohibitive. Of course, you could always promote the
rational for a BI in that it keeps out folks with criminal records, etc., if
this is your intent. I could go on and on, however, I think most people get
the gist. My three colleagues and I do not require a BI nor are we likely to
do so. FWIW!
Kevin Crane
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From: "Craig Stovall"
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:32:06 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: RE: Background Checks
Background checks on potential students....ummmmm, OK.
With all due respect...what's the point? We live in the world of the knife
and the gun. People looking to hurt others will simply acquire one of those
two easily obtained instruments, or some other tool. I just don't think
that there's a substantial group of would be rapists, muggers, and murderers
looking to invest the time and energy it takes to learn to hurt others with
their bare hands.
I've found that those of questionable character (punks, thugs, street
brawlers, etc) rarely make it past the first few weeks of martial arts
training. They either:
1. Don't have what it takes
2. Figure out it's much easier to get a gun or a knife than to try and
become the next Bruce Lee or Billy Jack...duh.
"Gut feel" is the best indicator for whether or not you want someone
involved in your program.
Besides, you're not an employer or some other entity for which most people
would wave their right to privacy in order for you to go through the
EXPENSIVE task of running background checks. Yes, you'd have to outsource
this task (which ain't cheap), or else give up sleeping if you wanted to do
it yourself (which ain't cheap either).
I really don't see this as an issue for concern. Nobody ever robbed a bank
using TKD.
Sorry if I came off as being a smart@$$, but this is a little much.
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From: "jere-hilland"
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:12:04 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Background Checks
Ray, I do not think I would have potential instructors go under the
microscope as one would probably have known the individual for years as a
student first. We do them at the office (I work for a major insurance
carrier) before making an offer of employment. A partial background check
would be frivolous for our purposes but a limited one would be sufficient
for bonding purposes. Our background checks include a credit check from all
3 major agencies, a court house criminal and civil suit check, a complete
reference check and then a drug test. Although this is academic for our
purposes at the dojang as we are all volunteer instructors, it is
nevertheless, not cheap. It also takes several weeks and possibly longer
depending on the depth of the search. When I obtained my Texas concealed
handgun license, the background check took 6 weeks, but most of this time
was due to the FBI background check. A friend of mine, the President of
national investigation firm who does a lot of this work for me (he is from
Chicago and is a tkd 3rd dan and hkd 1st dan) will be in Jackson with us in
February. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:11:59 PST
Subject: the_dojang: Martial Soft ?
Anyone using the school mgmt software from Martial Soft (www.martialsoft.com)?
Comments?
Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:13:54 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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