From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #39 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 18 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 039 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 the_dojang: Self-Defense Videos Re: the_dojang: Self-Defense Videos the_dojang: Transvestite Sparring Who's Who the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul the_dojang: RE: More to a man than whats between his legs.... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 the_dojang: Re: background checks the_dojang: Re: BI the_dojang: Re: background checks the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:23:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 In a message dated 1/18/01 2:19:18 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I must admit, I don't trust a video to master self-defense. Unless you have a strong martial arts background and fully understand the method and physiology behind the moves, you could be setting yourself up for a let down (or injury!) I am a Tang Soo Do student and I know Master C.S. Kim has few self-defense (Ho Sin Sol) video's that are quite descriptive. >> I must admit I trust many videos out therre more than I do many of the instructors out there. :) gary pieratt ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:38:34 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Self-Defense Videos Steve Alagna wrote: "What are people’s opinions on what the best videos are out there for basic street self-defense??" If you were confined to ONE source of information...then spend your money on Tony Blauer. There is absolutely no instructor on the market that covers the physical, mental, and emotional dynamics of self-defense like Tony Blauer. I concede the fact that there are a great many teachers with a lot of great products out there. IMHO, Tony is just on a totally different level from everyone else. Others feel free to disagree...but I just want to throw my opinion out there. Regarding Krav Maga...I think I've posted my thoughts on that subject before. Krav Maga, as taught and sold commercially in THIS country, is basically TaeBo with an attitude. I'd take my dollar elsewhere. Again...just my opinion. Opinions differ. As always...let the buyer beware. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:18:20 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Self-Defense Videos > If you were confined to ONE source of information...then spend your money on > Tony Blauer. There is absolutely no instructor on the market that covers > the physical, mental, and emotional dynamics of self-defense like Tony > Blauer. I concede the fact that there are a great many teachers with a lot > of great products out there. IMHO, Tony is just on a totally different > level from everyone else. Others feel free to disagree...but I just want to > throw my opinion out there. I've heard good and not-so-good about Tony. I will admit that my only source are the LEO/SWAT types that I've trained with. Those that I've had contact with (obviously not a majority of the LEOs) think that Tony is a bit 'out there' on some of his thinking and approaches. Maybe that is a good thing... :) But they mostly all admit that he occasionally comes up with a very unique solution/approach at least frequently enough to keep them following his latest thinking. http://tonyblauer.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "John Franich" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:58:24 -0900 Subject: the_dojang: Transvestite Sparring Who's Who Dakin seemed confused about who's who in the Transvestite sparring thread. "Critical Care" is Donna S., the originator of the thread. The reply that you attributed to Critical Care was actually from me, John Franich, an infrequent contributor. I hope that clears up any confusion. :-) Then Donna G. wrote: <<"Why do we compete separately anyway?">> I think that there are three reasons. First, "We've always done it that way." Comingling of the sexes in athletic competition is a pretty recent phonomenon. Second, I think that some people still aren't comfortable competing against a person of a different sex. Third, we think that sex divisions potentially doubles the number of divisions at a given tournament, so that more people get to feel successful because they are competing against a smaller number of competitors withing their division. The reason most often given, that of the physical differences between the sexes, is B.S. It's a myth. You could find male and female competitors at virtually every tournament that are more closely matched to each other than they are to some of the other competitors within their existing divisions. As both Dakin and I pointed out, it it is quite possible to create divisions that do not include sex as a criterion. It's just easier to use sex as the first major divider, because it is (usually) more obvious. John F. ------------------------------ From: Meteor2000@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:13:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 In a message dated 1/18/01 12:20:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Subject: Master Bob Broe, Does anyone know the address or contact information for Master Robert Broe a Tang Soo Do Master from Midland Michigan? ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:54:12 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 In a message dated 1/18/01 3:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Regarding Background checks... >> My fiance runs a school in Pgh, Pa. With my background in child development/teaching, I suggested he apply for his criminal background record (Called Act 33/34 Clearance) and post it on the wall. For $10 dollars, you get a nice little certificate from your state and the families of you students? They get peace of mind. Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:02:29 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul I continue to see references to people who are TKD and practice HKD, or train in TKD and also teach HKD, or train in TKD and also train in HKD to augment their TKD Ho Shin Sool. The only actual connection I have come across between the two arts are the references to Gen. Choi wanting TKD people to incorporate HKD as an expansion of TKD training and that's about all I know. Does anyone have any other material which fleshes out the relationship between these two arts, if such exists. I am continually amazed at the number of TKD schools that report teaching Hapkido though I can't say I see as many HKD schools that purport to teach TKD. Does the Kukkiwon/WTF/ITF have some special program that encourages TKD practitioners to pursue a secondary instruction in HKD? Are these perhaps TKD/Yudo people who represent what they do as Hapkido? I have also noticed that at least the schools in my area (Chicago) teach Hapkido techniques but do not actually have a HKD curriculum or usually maintain a connection with an organization. If people have thoughts, I'll take what I can get. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:09:01 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: More to a man than whats between his legs.... Dear Chris: I liked your observations about various aspects of what makes a man. I have been trying to follow this discussion and side-step some of the more "creative" questions. Has anyone discussed the anatomical factors or biomechanical factors involved? I ask because it would have been easy to miss it. Here are a few things that have come to my mind. 1.) If I remember correctly men average about 30% more muscle by body weight than women who average about 30% more fat by body weight. Even with estrogen maintanence it would seem that man undergoing a sex-change would have a distinct advantage over a female of comparable size. 2.) I was also thinking that despite whatever social changes a person might undergo, a male (even espousing a change of sexual identification) would still have the aggressive benefits of a higher testosterone level, yes? 3.) I also thought of the pelvic angle of the female (wider) which may be at a distinct disadvantage against a narrower male pelvis. Especially in an art such as TKD/TSD with its heavy emphasis on kicking. Since HKD does not compete and its been years since I have been in a ring, perhaps I am out of touch with these things and efforts have been made to account for this. Perhaps we are talking about pre-pub and pub students where this is not a particular factor. But were a man (represented as a woman) to compete against a female, despite all other controls, I would think the male would have a distinct advantage, yes? 4.) Perhaps the women could help me with this last one. Given that a man hit in the chest (Pec Major) would suffer little or nothing, a woman by comparison has breasts that are easily brusied and heavily innervated. Wouldn't this give the male (represented as a woman) an additional advantage? As I said perhaps someone has addressed all this. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:31:22 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #38 So, from your standpoint, (ladies..get this) You are saying we cannot kick your ass. It has been a proven fact that we can outdo you any day of the week so, get off your manhood. Donna G. > From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:51:50 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #37 > > Craig, you are sooooo politically incorrect, but right on the mark. > I agree 100%. > gary pieratt > > In a message dated 1/18/01 9:16:45 AM Central Standard Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << From: "Craig Stovall" > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:29:38 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Competing Separately > > Donna G. Wrote: > > "Why do we compete separately anyway?" > > Are you serious? Ok, let's take a simple example from track & field. In > world class competition, the men routinely run 100m dash times well under > the 10 second mark. On the women's side, they're hard pressed to get it > under 11 seconds, with only super-elite runners like Marion Jones posting > times under the 11 second mark on a routine basis. A very simple > illustration, but a very profound one, nonetheless. > > On average, men are bigger, stronger, faster, more robust, and more > aggressive. I'm sorry, but separate divisions is what allows women to > compete to begin with. Imagine a world without separate divisions. Do you > really think women can compete on an equal basis with men in the vast > majority of competitive sports, and experience any sort of success? > > I know that if I were a female, I'd WANT separate divisions. I don't > consider it a "slight" to women that we have separate divisions...it's just > the natural outgrowth of our physical differences. >> > > ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:39:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: background checks ok....let's say you do a background check or trust your gut instinct and decide youve got a bad egg for an applicant. what do you do? what...do ...you....doooo? :) melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:04:36 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: BI In a message dated 1/15/2001 8:47:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Doesn't cost a thing in Texas. Fee, just go to the web site and enter their name. >> which website is that? melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:00:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: background checks one of my students (also my neighbor) has an admitted domestic violence history. if i were to run a background check i would see that, i'm sure. he and his ex-wife used to get into fights with some frequency, she instigated with violence, he responded with violence, she called the cops, he got arrested. for the most part, they were equally at fault. i've known the man for over a year now. he lives with his girlfriend of several years and has joint custody of his daughter. he is the most devoted father, loving partner, and giving man i have ever met. he'd give you his shirt off his back in a snow storm. but i didnt know that on our first meeting. what if i'd learned about the domestic violence history before getting to really know the man that i know today? possibly, i wouldve never had the opportunity to have an excellent friendship with my neighbor and student. now, i dont want to hear flames about how evil the cycle of domestic violence is because i know this in depth. i'm talking about misguidedly judging someone by their jacket, not their entire character. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:15:29 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #39 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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