From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #41 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 041 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: background checks the_dojang: RE: Kido Seminar the_dojang: battle of the sexes the_dojang: RE: TKD/HKD Joint rankings the_dojang: Re: site addy the_dojang: The "Function" of Martial Arts the_dojang: Kido Chicago Seminar the_dojang: Re: bad egg Re: the_dojang: The "Function" of Martial Arts the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD together the_dojang: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:11 -0800 the_dojang: Women in athletic competition the_dojang: Hugo's Request the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:18:27 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: background checks melinda writes: <> As I have advocated he would still be a student and you would have gotten to know him. However, lets say he later wanted to become an instructor - This is when a background check is needed to CYA. After you have the information in your hand you can take what you know about the person and didn't know (but now know because of the BG Check) and make your decision. However the difference is you know about the problems in the past they are no going to blindside you when you are in a court when a student is sueing you for what ever reason in regards to said instructor. BG Checks only give you data and information. It is still up to you to make a decsion based on that information. I mean yeah I have had some really great friends they were really nice and loyal. However there are some things you just don't talk about. Could any of my students have been convicted of a child molestation in another state before I knew them? Maybe, maybe not. No big deal. I teach them the skills that may place them into a more disciplined life and may influence him/her. But then again I'm still going to run my background check if they want to be an instructor. I will never let any person who has ever been CONVICTED of Molesting a child teach. I will not do it ever. And before the crowd says they don't usually do marital arts and that the moral of the training weeds them out. I have had one student who later applied to be an instructor that was as I just said above. He was never allowed to teach. Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:33:26 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kido Seminar Thanks for the Contact info. And they have not cancelled it at least as of 2 days ago ;) Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: "mo :b" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:49:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: battle of the sexes i don't know about other list members, but i'd much prefer brains over brawn any day. every practice i learn that no matter how big an opponent is, how fast his/her kicks are, how much younger he/she is, etc., i can take him/her down if i use my brain. the thing that a person should worry about, i find, is how much more experience an opponent has. each gender seems to have its advantages and disadvantages, as does each person mentally and physically. use your brain to figure out what they are and use them to your own advantage. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:53:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: TKD/HKD Joint rankings Dear Andrew: I would say that what you report is representative of what I run into on a regular basis. So much so that it made sense to investigate if there is some connection between the two arts I was not aware of. I suppose that some arts naturally fall together and it is pretty common to find Karate people who cross-train in Judo as an example. Maybe someone has additional information. Thanks again, Bruce ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:22:14 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: site addy In a message dated 1/19/2001 7:01:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << which website is that? melinda >> Go to: http://216.140.183.67/default.cfm and follow the instructions. >> thanks gary :) melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:28:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The "Function" of Martial Arts I was thinking this morning, for a change, and decided to post something not related to the physical aspects of the fighting arts...which I tend to gravitate towards. Keeping in mind that my educational background is in the business field (thus explaining my eloquent and tactful style of posting) and not sociology, I tried to put together some thoughts as to why we still have martial arts. I mean, most of us are not forced to fight hand-to-hand on a day-to-day basis, thus the entire concept of martial arts solely for the purpose of personal protection is somewhat of an antiquated idea (LEO's and the like excluded, of course). So, for martial arts to persist in this day and age, it must be providing some social function beyond it's obvious use for knocking the dust off of your fellow man (pardon the sexist analogy...winking at Donna G). Off the cuff, I put together a list of the functions that I think martial arts training provides that "justifies" its existence in the modern age. In other words...WHY do we even do this stuff? In no particular order: 1. Self-defense (Ok, I HAD to put this one first) 2. A vehicle for fitness, physical expression, and overall wellness. 3. Competition...martial arts as a vehicle for sportive endeavor. 4. Moral education...martial arts as a purveyor of values and ideas. 5. Cultural study/identification...some people study in order to learn about certain cultures, or express their ties to a shared heritage. Ok, now my challenge is for people to add/subtract from my list, and give their opinions as to what the most important or crucial functions are in the context of modern society. I apologize if this stuff seems obvious or elementary (Forrest Gump: "I'm not a smart man"), but I'd be interested in hearing some people's ideas as we certainly have a diverse cross-section represented here. BTW, the first person to point out the glaring error I made in my last post in response to Donna G will receive an all expense paid vacation to Antarctica...courtesy of Ray Terry and the good folks at the Dojang Digest (thanks a million, Ray). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Steve Seo Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Kido Chicago Seminar Dear list members, The Kido Chicago seminar will take place Saturday February 24th and Sunday February 25th. Those in attendance will have the opportunity to have hands on training with Grandmaster In Sun Seo. Anyone interested can contact us at the Kido office or email us. Phone number# (510)796-4115 email websabum@kidohae.com Steve Seo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:27:08 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: bad egg In a message dated 1/19/2001 7:01:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Next, my Chief Instructor runs an absolute killer workout. After that, I personally "teach" pressure points and joint locks (actually, I simply return to my Dinosour days, and teach a class like we normally used to do run them -- complete with my Jook Do "bad egg beater"). I have yet to see one of these people come back for more, and my students get a kick out of it. BTW, don't forget to have your waiver signed before class begins. One more thing. Canada is blessed with passive people who don't sue. >> lol, you wiley one :). actually, that's a great idea even for the u.s. where people sue the shoestring manufacturer for making a shoestring they can trip over, regardless of whether or not it's been tied. making the decision the responsibility of the applicant sounds like the best way to go, otherwise, we'd be up to our necks in discrimination suits. and besides, if one of these bad eggs decides they can handle those killer workouts and being the uke after every PP technique class....who knows, they might be better than we thought :) thanks for the imput (loved the "bad egg beater") melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:07:25 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: The "Function" of Martial Arts > in response to Donna G will receive an all expense paid vacation to > Antarctica...courtesy of Ray Terry and the good folks at the Dojang Digest > (thanks a million, Ray). Not until I get to go first (hopefully next year!). I wonder if I'll be able to connect to the Internet downdown under??? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:50:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD/HKD together Mr. Sims wrote: >------------------------------ >From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" >Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul > >I continue to see references to people who are TKD and practice HKD, or >train in TKD and also teach HKD, or train in TKD and also train in HKD to >augment their TKD Ho Shin Sool. The only actual connection I have come >across between the two arts are the references to Gen. Choi wanting TKD >people to incorporate HKD as an expansion of TKD training and that's about >all I know. Does anyone have any other material which fleshes out the >relationship between these two arts, if such exists * * * snip * * * >Best Wishes, >Bruce W Sims >www.midwesthapkido.com Mr. Sims: I cannot speak for anyone else. I have studied TKD for many years and always felt there was something "missing" from my training. In pondering it and learning more about what HKD is, I decided that was at least part of it. (And it was! ;) My GM teaches TKD, HKD and Judo so it was easy to begin the training. GETTING to the training, however is a different story. His school is three hours away. :( I wanted to be able to provide my TKD students with at least a *little* better knowledge of things like pressure points, joint locks, etc., besides obviously having this knowledge for my own. But we definitely have a separate HKD class with its own curriculum, belts, etc. Regarding the connection between TKD and HKD, I hypothesize that it is because they are both Korean arts that complement each other well. The pure HKD students in our school do not appear to have developed their kicks to the highly refined level of TKD and our TKD students are *nowhere* near the HKD students regarding any kind of locks, takedowns, etc. So why not have both? Then you still have each one for those who don't want one or more aspects of the other, but the people who want both can go for it! IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:23:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:11 -0800 Craig said: >>If you were confined to ONE source of information...then spend your money on Tony Blauer. There is absolutely no instructor on the market that covers the physical, mental, and emotional dynamics of self-defense like Tony Blauer. I concede the fact that there are a great many teachers with a lot of great products out there. IMHO, Tony is just on a totally different level from everyone else. Others feel free to disagree...but I just want to throw my opinion out there. Regarding Krav Maga...I think I've posted my thoughts on that subject before. Krav Maga, as taught and sold commercially in THIS country, is basically TaeBo with an attitude. I'd take my dollar elsewhere. Again...just my opinion. Opinions differ.>> Craig, thanks for your thoughts. Like I said, I do have some of the KM tapes and started studying them. They are very simple techniques, but think (read: don't know for sure) they are at the same time effective. Case in point: I worked on a simple technique to combat a person grabbing your neck with both hands with their thumbs putting pressure on the trachea. The technique is to reach up with both your hands, grabbing their hands pulling them down and out (plucking) simultaneously kneeing them in the groin. After that it goes into various palm, knee, and elbow strikes to finish off the attacker. I went to class after I had studied this and asked someone to aggressively grab my neck as the video shows without telling him what I'd do. I performed the technique and regrettably made ever so slight contact to his groin with my knee, which almost completely incapacitated him at that point. Now I know he wasn't a real attacker and it wasn't out in the street and we both didn't have the same adrenaline running, but that simple move seems as if it will fend off a simple attack whether a person grabs your neck with one hand, both hands, grabs your shirt etc. The basic concept of the techniques is to divert the threat while at the same time striking the attacker. Now I did ask for opinions as I'm basically a beginner in the self-defense area and I'm keeping an open mind. So if there are any more opinions out there, let me know. Steven M. Alagna ------------------------------ From: "Wallace, John" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:28:23 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Women in athletic competition Hi all With the recent flurry of battle of the sexes references, I remembered a book title that I was curious about. Has anyone read "The Frailty Myth"? Not sure of the author. It had a photo of a female baseball pitcher on the front (Annie Leibowitz photo?...looked like her style) Any reviews? - -JW "There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesome returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." Mark Twain Life on the Mississippi, 1883 ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:46:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Hugo's Request Hugo wrote: "I know there were some fantastic posts a couple of days ago regarding the types of resistance training needed to become a good WTF sparring competitor. Alas, I inadvertently deleted them. If anyone could rehash this valuable info -via e-mail or by the newsgroup- I would really appreciate it." You DELETED them?!?! For shame. Here's some info: Go check out Dr. Fred Hatfield at www.drsquat.com. Hatfield is an accomplished academic, author, competitor, and has coached world class athletes. His articles on that site are tremendous. I'm sure you can find something of value there. Also, check out the folks at www.ironmind.com. Lots of information on strength training, as well as equipment. I think they've got some good material to help you learn the Olympic style lifts. I've heard good things about Charles Staley. You can find him at www.myodynamics.com. Has some stuff specifically for martial artists. And now for something completely different...go check this guy out at www.dinosaurtraining.com. Who knows...he may be onto something. For literature on plyometrics, or explosive strength training, I highly recommend Donald Chu. You can get his books through Amazon, no problem. I hope this helps. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:16:16 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #41 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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