From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #42 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 042 In this issue: the_dojang: Ken's Travel Adventures, Vol I, no.1 the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #41 the_dojang: Re: HKD/TKD Joint Cert the_dojang: Re: The "Function" of MA the_dojang: grappling stuff the_dojang: AOL 6 workaround reminder the_dojang: Re: The "Function" of Martial Arts the_dojang: Re: Sparring a transvestite the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken McDonough Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:14:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Ken's Travel Adventures, Vol I, no.1 Hi all: Your not gonna believe this. I am writing this from JFK Inernational Airport, and we just got here. We have until 8pm to wait for the flight to Hong Kong. Fist, priority is to chow down. I did a litle stretching exercises in the International Terminal # 7. Then I started doing forms and I freaked out a few people. Here is the interesting part. I was provided malaria pills for the Philippines. Unfortunately, I mixed them up with the viagra pills. I have a serious problem now! Anywway, it is 3pm and I write this from a free internet terminal. Will keep you posted. Wife is telling me to go. McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: David Beck Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:12:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul >From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" >Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hapkido and TKD Ho Shin Sul > >I continue to see references to people who are TKD and practice HKD, or >train in TKD and also teach HKD, or train in TKD and also train in HKD to >augment their TKD Ho Shin Sool. The only actual connection I have come >across between the two arts are the references to Gen. Choi wanting TKD >people to incorporate HKD as an expansion of TKD training and that's about >all I know. Does anyone have any other material which fleshes out the >relationship between these two arts, if such exists I've never heard of any direct relationship other than that probably more people have cross-trained in the two than in any other pair of styles. And I'd say the reasons are cultural. Remember that in Korea physical education class is Taekwondo and it's the national sport. Ever know a boy in the US that had NEVER played baseball? So any Korean HKDist that has come to the US in the last 40 years knows TKD also. And the US culture since the first Karate Kid movie has been that kids pay the rent in a martial arts studio. And they want to compete. So a TKD guy will teach TKD, and a HKD guy will teach both. And a cross-trainer will use his best stuff in competition or demos, so there's been a lot of influence between the two. David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com WATT Lead Engineer Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:32:07 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 In a message dated 1/19/01 10:01:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Re: Unisex competition >> At the risk of sounding inferior to the all too over-inflated ego of the male chauvinist, I must admit that I know a male has a biological advantage over me and may very well pulverize me in athletic competition. Conversely, she with better technique and attitude will always prevail. I still expect to win. After all, strength may be a male's ONLY advantage. - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:41:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #41 Steven writes: >>>>I worked on a simple technique to combat a person grabbing your neck with both hands with their thumbs putting pressure on the trachea. The technique is to reach up with both your hands, grabbing their hands pulling them down and out (plucking) simultaneously kneeing them in the groin. After that it goes into various palm, knee, and elbow strikes to finish off the attacker. <<<<, I don't care for this "plucking" defense because often a person will have trouble doing it against a stronger person. Someone who has been in a fight or two will not let you knee them that easily, and to reach up with your hands against his hands puts your strength against his and if he is stronger, it is difficult. I like the technique where you throw your arm over his hands and bring your weight down on the hands with your arm pit. This way, you have your weight against his hands and a smaller person has a better chance at breaking the hold. This is the defense I teach in my new video. Not that the plucking can't or won't work, it's just that I feel the other can work for more people in more situations, especially when the attacker is stronger. Well, I'm off for Seoul in a half hour and probably won't be on a computer till I get back to Montana. Yours in Training, Alain ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:39:41 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: HKD/TKD Joint Cert Thanks, Shaun: "...My GM teaches TKD, HKD and Judo so it was easy to begin the training...." That was the area I was curious about. So many of the TKD teachers also have experience in HKD that I had begun to wonder if their was some special protocol in training or development that encouraged this kind of dual training. Maybe its just as you say. There are so many commonalities that it is easy to just drift back and forth between the two. Thanks again, Bruce ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:52:20 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The "Function" of MA I found your list interesting. Here's my take: >From: "Craig Stovall" >1. Self-defense (Ok, I HAD to put this one first) Why did it HAVE to be first? You just said yourself that this isn't that high on the priority scale anymore. I'm also definitely NOT saying that it's not important. In fact, I think it can be VERY important to some people, depending on where they live. However, in semi-rural Iowa (where our town of 15,000 is considered pretty large ;), I'm not particularly worried about having to defend myself on a regular basis. I can count on one hand the number of my students who have had to defend themselves in the past many years. It should be on the list, obviously. I'm just not sure it is number one for me. Since the only one where order appears to make a difference, I will not address the order of the remaining four. If it is, then I have a BIG beef about #3 being before #4, but I'll save it. :) >2. A vehicle for fitness, physical expression, and overall wellness. Yes, of course. >3. Competition...martial arts as a vehicle for sportive endeavor. I know this is a matter of opinion, but I think competition has very little, if any, place in martial arts/martial ways. Martial sports, sure. But I have to make that distinction. I suppose it depends on what you're looking to get out of your training. I'm very aware that I won't probably change any opinions on this, so I'm done on this issue. :) >4. Moral education...martial arts as a purveyor of values and ideas. Absolutely. In my opinion, THIS is the one that belongs at the top of the list. Martial arts training without morality is just street fighting. (Very GOOD street fighting, though. ;) >5. Cultural study/identification...some people study in order to learn >about certain cultures, or express their ties to a shared heritage. I think this is important, too, especially due to our location. Again, out here in the middle of the cornfields, we have VERY LITTLE cultural diversity in our town. How can it do any harm for people to learn a little of the language and culture of another country/people? If we're not careful, we might accidentally cause someone to open their mind a little. > >Ok, now my challenge is for people to add/subtract from my list, and give >their opinions as to what the most important or crucial functions are in >the >context of modern society. Discipline wasn't specifically addressed in your list, unless you count that under "moral education". I feel this is another VERY important aspect of training. Without self-discipline, what can you really accomplish in life? How about just good old social relationships? I spend a lot of time at my school and I have friends there that I would not have met or would not have gotten to know as well if it weren't for the training. I just enjoy being around these people. And I haven't seen the word "fun" come up yet either. Not a silly, playful kind of fun, but just the general enjoyment of doing something that you really like. Maybe it doesn't have as much societal importance as moral education, but maybe it does. If I don't have my fun, I get cranky. Cranky leads to disgruntled... I think you see where I'm going. :) I'm exaggerating a little, but I think it's true. This is an important issue, but as I said before, some people have their reasons for doing it and don't want anything to do with other reasons. Well, actually, most or all people are probably that way, I suppose. (I know I am.) While I don't think it hurts to think about why you or I train, good luck getting anyone else to see it exactly the way you do. :) IMHO, Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:41:01 PST Subject: the_dojang: grappling stuff Forwarding. Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The 4th ANNUAL SUBMISSION WRESTLING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, Abu Dhabi, will be held on April 11, 12 13, 2001 "PANCRASE 2001 PROOF TOUR" Sunday, February 4, 2001 Korakuen Hall(Tokyo, Japan) Doors open: 6:15PM; Fights start: 7:00PM *New rules will be applied from this event. Fight#1(5MX1R)-catch wrestling- Minoru Suzuki(Pancrase Yokohama) vs Jason DeLucia(U.S.A./Pancrase Hybrid Budokan) Fight#2(5MX2R) Kazuhito Kikuchi(Pancrase Yokohama) vs Sen Nakadai(Pancrase Tokyo) Fight#3(5MX1R)-catch wrestling- Takafumi Ito(Pancrase Yokohama) vs Yoshinori Kawasaki(RJW/CENTRAL) Fight#4(5MX3R) Yoshiki Takahashi(open-weight 4th ranked/Pancrase Tokyo) vs Mitsuyoshi Sato(Pancrase GRABAKA) Fight#5(5MX3R) Daisuke Watanabe(Pancrase Yokohama) vs Yuki Sasaki(Pancrase GRABAKA) Fight#6(5MX3R) Yuki Kondo(open-weight 1st ranked/Pancrase Tokyo) vs Eiji Ishikawa(Pancrase GRABAKA) semifinal(5MX3R) Osami Shibuya(open-weight 6th ranked/Pancrase Yokohama) vs Ian Freeman(U.K./ Sunderland Ju Jitsu Club) main event(5MX3R) Sanae Kikuta(open-weight 5th ranked/Pancrase GRABAKA) vs TBA Here is some information about the 2nd International Grappling Open of Paris ( JUDOGI Trophy ) : Date : Saturday April 28th 2001 - weigh in 10/10.30 AM Place : Gymnase Léo Lagrange - 68 Boulevard Poniatovski 75012 Paris (same place as last year). In the south east of Paris near the "Bois de Vincennes" Fee : 100 FF (nearly 12$ - 15 Euros) - 50 FF for spectators Prizes (gifts) and trophies for the winners. Weight divisions : Under 65 Kg, under 70 Kg... over 90 Kg and an open division( only for those who will fight in their own cat. ) Fighter Registration : Before April 23rd Accomodation, Informations : Contact Gaël COADIC - Tél.Fax : 0033 164 30 84 14 e-mail : bugei@free.fr Super Rage in the Cage XXIV Ultimate Xtreme Cage Fighting !!! Roland Sarria has just added a Super Main Event to headline the January 27, 2001 show. Two time UFC veteran Christophe Leininger will battle Allan "A-Dawg" Sullivan. Earlier this month, "A-Dawg"submitted two time UFC veteran "Dirty" Harry Moskowitz. The Main Event will feature RITC Heavyweight Champion Hommer "Rock" Moore against Texas Xtreme Champion Tim "Bull" Wilson. In newly added Super Fights, two time UFC veteran Todd Medina ( 5'10", 260 lbs ) will make his Arizona debut againstShane "Z-Dawg" Blair ( 5'8", 240 lbs ) and 18 year old sensation Edwin "Babyface" Dewees will defend his RITC Championship belt against Arizona Xtreme Champion Scott Lalor. Brausa Cage Warrior Champion fighters, Bill "Cannon" Cameron, Farrell "Full Moon" Frisbee and Mike "Scorpion" Bernardi, along with the rest of the Brausa Fighting Team, are primed and ready to face NHB teams coming to town from California and Texas. Also, the US Marine Hand to Hand Combat Fighting Team from Oceanside, California is scheduled to test their Marine Combat training skills against RITC fighters. Super Main Event Christophe Leininger vs Allan "A-Dawg" Sullivan Main Event Hommer "Rock" Moore vs Tim "Bull" Wilson Super Fights Todd Medina vs Shane "Z-Dawg" Blair Edwin "Babyface" Dewees vs Scott Lalor The Celebrity Theatre can accommodate 2700 fight fans. It offers tiered unobstructed seating with no seat more than 75 feet from the stage. There are no bad seats at Celebrity Theatre and this venue was recently voted as the number one place to view an event in Arizona. Tickets are available at all Ticket Master locations ( 480-784-4444 ) or at the Celebrity Theatre Box Office. For more information, please visit www.celebritytheatre.com or ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:57:27 PST Subject: the_dojang: AOL 6 workaround reminder Just a reminder of how to get around the AOL 6.0 bug, i.e. how to send non-HTML (plain text) email to the list. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Info on how to send non-HTML (plain text) mail to the list for those using AOL 6.0. Forwarded message: From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:19:45 EST Subject: the_dojang: AOL 6.0 and HMTL email According to the gurus at AOL the only way to send a plain text email message in 6.0, is to click on the explorer icon (or navigator) enter aolmail.aol.com. It can't be done from the program to date. Hope this helps Ray. Frank ------------------------------ From: Gary Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:38:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The "Function" of Martial Arts > Off the cuff, I put together a list of the functions that I think martial > arts training provides that "justifies" its existence in the modern age. In > other words...WHY do we even do this stuff? In no particular order: > > 1. Self-defense (Ok, I HAD to put this one first) > 2. A vehicle for fitness, physical expression, and overall wellness. > 3. Competition...martial arts as a vehicle for sportive endeavor. > 4. Moral education...martial arts as a purveyor of values and ideas. > 5. Cultural study/identification...some people study in order to learn > about certain cultures, or express their ties to a shared heritage. These are good ones, but I can think of at least one more that I believe attracts a lot of people- martial arts are cool. C'mon, fess up, how many people out there started because they saw "Enter the Dragon" and decided that learning how to beat up 100 people, one at a time, while making weird monkey noises was absolutely necessary. Pop culture has probably caused more people to join MA's then anything else (at least in America). Most of them wander off after realizing that they won't become a Ninja Assassin in 10 easy lessons, but others hang on when they find out that it's still fun and valuable, even if it's hard work. And hey, even though I know that doing a flying 720 degree kick is not the most practical self defense technique, I still have to try it sometimes, especially after watching a Jet Li movie. Preferably when no one else is watching though, so I don't have to explain why I threw myself at the floor like that. GK ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:48:23 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sparring a transvestite > > From: "critical care" > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:20:40 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Sparring a transvestite > No matter what the psychological problems are that are involved, no matter how much cutting, chopping, molding and estrogen is involved, the question to ask is this: what's the DNA gonna show? The answer is male. That's the division he/she/it should be sparring in. ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:30:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 Hugo, Are you referring to the post, I think by Craig Stovall, with the comprehensive calisthenic list? If so, please e-mail me privately. I will be happy to send it to you. Neal Konecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:40:02 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #42 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.