From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #46 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 21 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 046 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #44 the_dojang: Just for the record...I WAS JOKING!!! the_dojang: Modern Defendo vs. Defendu the_dojang: Re: reasons for taking up MA the_dojang: Re: TKD and turnaments the_dojang: Re: New Sparring rules Re: the_dojang: Re: TKD and turnaments the_dojang: ITF rules the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #45 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #44 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #45 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 the_dojang: This weekend's seminar in New Berlin the_dojang: Ray Terry in Inside Kung Fu magazine the_dojang: Aikido Today quote the_dojang: smaller vs. bigger the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Sears Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:44:32 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #44 > > From: HKDHW@aol.com > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:18:43 EST > Subject: the_dojang: Falling in love with a student > > What happens when an instructor or Master falls in love with a student? I am > sure this happens both share a common interest and relationships and > friendships are made in the DoJang. I see it all the time (friendships). > ...snip... Happened to me. I met my VSO through Taekwondo. She is now my partner and co-owner of our school. In the school, we are Mr. Sears and Mrs. Rogers. The affection is fairly apparent, but even more apparent is the respect - we are leading by example. As she came up through the ranks, I had promotional authority over her up until the time she made 2nd Degree. She tested for her 3rd Degree in front of one of the Masters, our regional vice-president, and a 5th Degree, our regional chief of instruction. At every one of her testings up until that 3rd Degree testing, I made sure that I had at least one other judge with sufficient promotional authority on the panel. Even though I sat on the panel and made notes, when it came time after the testing to discuss performances and results, I would sit back and not say a word when she was discussed unless I was asked a direct question that I could answer in my role as her instructor. The visiting judge was always the one who said yea or nay on her promotions. Incidentally, the visiting judges spread the word about how I was handling the situation and there has never, ever been a whisper of favoritism or "cutting slack" in her promotions. ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:59:45 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Just for the record...I WAS JOKING!!! "Andy Kaufman's bit with the women wrestling was merely a put on. It was a huge joke played on people to obtain a response. This was similar to when Andy Kaufman slapped Jerry Lawler, the Wrestler, on David Letterman Show. Then cursed. It was all a gag. Seems like he pulled your chain on this one too. Andy is laughing in his grave." Ummmmmmm...I was just being outrageous. I realize that it was all a big practical joke. Did anybody actually think for one second that I was using Andy Kaufman's ridiculous road show as a real example of male superiority? Good grief. I thought I had made it abundantly clear at both the beginning, and ending of the post that I was just being irreverant. For those who thought I was being serious...I'm not THAT big of an idiot. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:43:54 PST Subject: the_dojang: Modern Defendo vs. Defendu > You are better off getting W E Fairbain's book "Get Tough." Its cheaper > with better information. Speaking of... Has anyone checked out the Modern Defendo system of CQB (www.defendo.com) headed by a Bill Wolfe that is supposedly based on Fairbairn's Defendu? Comments? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:07:56 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: reasons for taking up MA In message <200101210014.TAA08826@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com> you write: [snip list of reasons why people take up MA] My reason for taking up martial arts was that I wanted to do lots of sports. Now, as far as physical activities go, I am big on enthusiasm and low on talent, so I wanted an activity that would allow me to learn at my own pace, and which, with practice and training, I could eventually get better at. Also I was very competitive in my academic work and I wanted to do something that would teach me to relax and enjoy myself even if there was no way I was ever going to be the best in the class at. I must say, so far, my level of fitness has increased a lot and so has the energy I have for other areas of my life not related to MA as a result. Plus I am a lot happier with myself and a lot less competitve and stressed in everything. Donnla. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Graduate Student Pembroke St., Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. tel: +44-1223-334619 http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~dbn20/ "An eyelash! How could you be so careless!" - Jude Law, Gattaca ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:58:25 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD and turnaments My school is not focused on Turnaments either. We focus on the martial art not the sport. Most of the schools in my area are the same. John Murphy A-3-756 ITF/USTF TKD ------------------------------ From: ConcordTKD@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:54:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: New Sparring rules Sounds like the new sparring rules for the WTF are going twards the ITF sparring rules. Is there any information on what the final rule set will be and when it will go in to effect? John Murphy A-3-756 ITF/USTF TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:35:30 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: TKD and turnaments > My school is not focused on Turnaments either. We focus on the martial art > not the sport. As are many/most WTF schools... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:02:48 PST Subject: the_dojang: ITF rules Forwarding ITF rules... Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Ray Terry, My name is Craig Stanley. I am a 5th degree with the ITF. I am unaware of any electronic copies of the rules but I can give them to you as well as another E-mail where you can try for an e-set of rules. Points awarded as follows: 1 point for punch to the face or body while attacker is standing on the floor. 1 point for a kick to the body while the attacker has one foot on the floor. 2 points for a jumping punch to any target 2 points for a kick to the head while the attacker has one foot on the floor 2 points for a jumping kick to the defenders torso. 3 points for a jumping kick to the head. There are a number of warnings that can be called and a number of minus points. An accumilation of 3 minus points result in disqualification. Drawing blood also causes an immediate disqualification. Any 3 warnings will result in a deduction of a point at the end of the match. 12 warnings would equal 4 points lost. These points deducted do not add together with any minus points given during a match to cause a disqualification. They are two seperate catagories. The fights are controlled contact to legal targets. The targets are torso and front of head. Neck is not a target. Excessive contact is first warned and then minus points given. Drawing blood is instant disqualification. The list of warnings and minus point infractions are numerous. I will try to get an e-list to you. As an example of some rules, leaving the ring is a warning, as is grabbing your opponent, also falling down. If you have one foot in the ring and one foot out, you can be scored upon but can not score on your opponent. If you injure your opponent so he can not continue you are disqualified. Taekwon, C Stanley ------------------------------ From: RumNCoke220@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:05:18 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #45 I hear a lot on this list about yu sool, yu kwon sool, and ship pal ki. Do these styles even exist on their own anymore or are they completely absorbed into Hapkido, Kuk Sool Won, Hwarangdo, etc.? If they are practiced on their own, are they practiced outside of Korea? What types of methods/techniques do they use? JT ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:06:28 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #44 Dear Ray: "...... The guy standing sideways put his rear hand up over his head, waved at his opponent, and started making a Bruce Lee bird sound. His opponent gave him a strange look. About that time the bird guy skipped in with a beautiful side kick and knocked down his opponent. ...." You reminded me of a couple of occasions in open tournaments years back when exotic mannerisms was all the rage. It was not unusual to see many florid displays. You story reminded me of a similar encounter I witnessed at a Shudokan demo in Champaign-Urbana. The individual teaching the seminar was lecturing on bunkai (application of form) and was taking the position that there was some very effective material in the form for fighting application (at the time forms were getting a pretty bad rap in the area as being next to worthless for self-defense). The move itself was deceptively simple -- a high backfist with a fast sidekick under and just after it. Even knowing what the teacher was going to do, the student-volunteer repeatedly lifted his hands to cover his face leaving the floating ribs wide open. Very simple and very effective. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:26:52 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #45 Dear Shaun: You have me on this one, Guy. Unlike Ray I have never heard of a HKD tournament, though I have heard of some HKD schools that will hold tournaments and use TKD or PKA kinds of rules. There are also HKD players who will elect to compete in tournaments but uniformly must conform to competitions rules which rarely allow for joint-locks or throws but may permit pins, counter-kick techniques and maybe even chokes. There was some talk of Kuk Sool Won wanting to expand into tournament play with a kind of Tomiki Aikido approach but I have no detail on this and perhaps it would be best to ask around. My personal experience has been that all traditional HKD I know of are non-competitive. I should also mention that the magazine that you cited tends to be pretty relaxed about some of their material. By this I mean that their approach seems to be particularly easy going and while I find they mess up in details now and then, their rag provides a venue for American Aikido practitioners to communicate. I wouldn't expect the folks at the magazine would have meant for their observation to be taken as gospel. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:16:42 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #40 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Getting off my manhood Craig, Andy Kaufman may have been a funny man, but I never did care for those STAGED wrestling matches of his. A woman of the right caliber could have taken him down. He chose certain woman that he KNEW he could beat. There are some women who can and will beat you in a fair match. Not ALL of us are weaklings. All I am saying in this matter is, there are some that would probally prefer the challenge of competing against a man. Should we deny them that right? I was at a seminar this past weekend. In one of the lessons which was how to take away a stick from someone. I thought I was doing pretty good. Then, another instructor stepped in a said, "Let me show you something." He told the fellow to hold on to the stick hard. The instructor proceeded to use the same method as I to get the stick away and found that he could not do it. I got a little irritated then at the guy. This was another instructor also. Do not give me false confidence. How am I to learn what is the right way if you do that? I told him. If I do not have it, do not give it to me. As far as the crack about getting off your manhood..yes, possibly that was uncalled for. Should I have said instead; "get off your high horse" ? Donna ------------------------------ From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:17:21 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: This weekend's seminar in New Berlin I just returned from a seminar in New Berlin, WI. I attended one at T. Martyin's dojo down there. He brought in Professor Don Jordan. I enjoyed the day very much with him and would not mind seeing him again. Professor Jordan was a nice man who treated everyone the same way J. West does. That day, he taught us uses with the eskrima stick. Ray, you would have enjoyed the day too if you were there. He first started us with the empty hands method and then went on to show us how this is used with the sticks. I see today that my wrists are a little bruised from it. Some of the men struck a wee tad too hard and I did not notice or care. I was having too much fun. We learned some blocks, strikes and takeaway's that day. I hope to remember all that he taught me. The problem with seminars is just that remembering. Donna ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:46:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Ray Terry in Inside Kung Fu magazine Congrats to our own Ray Terry, who is mentioned in Inside Kung Fu magazine (3/01 edition) in an article about Mike Inay (p. 18). I wonder if the PPCT mentioned in the article is the same as is taught by the ATA...? - --- Paul Rogers ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:10:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Aikido Today quote <<<...They are listing some differences and their number two reason is, "Second, unlike Aikido, Hapkido is competitive." Could someone please enlighten me on this? I've never heard of HKD being competitive. Am I just missing something?...>>> That's funny. In our dojang we do not practice competition in any form or fashion, yet I have a student (1st dan in aikido, 5th gup in hapkido) who came from an aikido organization were competition is emphasized. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul ------------------------------ From: "jere-hilland" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:10:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: smaller vs. bigger Illona, I will be teaching two finger restraints in Jackson this February, or what my wife calls 'how to handle someone much bigger'. Hope to see everyone there... Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul <<<...Am always interested in what the smaller can do against the bigger. And I love self defense techniques ... Illona>>> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:55:50 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #46 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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