From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #48 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 22 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 048 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: love in the dojang the_dojang: Re: Background checks the_dojang: Re: New sparring rules the_dojang: Re: TKD and tournaments the_dojang: Re: Not competing/Non-profit status the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #47 the_dojang: RE: down memory lane... Re: the_dojang: RE: down memory lane... the_dojang: Married instructors the_dojang: RE: Aikido/Hapkido the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:59:42 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: love in the dojang i stay away from romance in the dojang generally speaking; however, my current girlfriend is a martial artist and has since decided to train with me. she is expected to persorm as anyone else performs. i think that perhaps i hold her to a higher standard, as i see her a tad more than i do in class... and yes the majority of our training is conducted outside of the dojang. just my 2 cents. ------------------------------ From: Migukyong@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:06:55 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Background checks in the comonwealth of Virginia, it is easy to determine who your sexual (convicted) predators are. The State Police have a wbsite which you can use to find out... i believe it is free, though I have not tried using it myself. I teach the majority of my classes, and my assistants are LAw enforcement officers... so it would be redundent to run a check on them, otherwise they would not be active LEO. ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:39:59 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: New sparring rules > Sounds like the new sparring rules for the WTF are going twards the ITF > sparring rules. Is there any information on what the final rule set will > be and when it will go in to effect? > > John Murphy > A-3-756 ITF/USTF TKD I think we will get that info after the technical seminar will take place. As for similarities to the ITF rules, well, in my opinion the only similarity would be the scoring system (if it will be introduced). I wonder how will they score e.g. 2 points to the head with electronic systems. But for now, we just have to wait and see... Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:40:48 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD and tournaments >> My school is not focused on Turnaments either. We focus on the martial >> art not the sport. > > As are many/most WTF schools... We have quite a funny situation in our school. We used to concentrate only on WTF style, both sparring and traditional side. There was later a time when we were really heavily into tournaments and competition was our main avenue of practice. However, we started to enter different other tournaments as well. Besides WTF, we do compete in GTF, Eskrima and right now, we are preparing to a Kung fu event. And surprisingly, our training became more similar to traditional one. We have to work on our hand techniques for the GTF, low kicks and throws for Kung fu, etc. and still keeping our patterns and traditions. And self-defence - we just love it... When I asked my students about the recent changes, they answered me that the classes were never so interesting before. Although I must admit we are not really a traditional school (we don`t do a lot of Kibon Dongjak, step sparring etc.), we found our own avenue of practice we really enjoy. Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:36:02 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Not competing/Non-profit status >------------------------------ >From: MissIllona@aol.com >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:40:57 EST >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Not Competing >Mr. Fortune, >Wow ... I wasn't aware there were TKD schools out there that didn't >compete. >Did the school that you attend not compete or put much emphasis on >competing >or is this a personal preference ? >Illona >------------------------------ Ms. Illona, Yes on both counts. I have been in two different schools. In the first, he NEVER mentioned tournaments. I'd heard of them (I was only a kid then) but didn't know anything about them. Then when I joined this school, my instructor at the time only ever talked about GM Shin's tournament and the Iowa Games (our little version of the Olympics lol). I don't even talk about the Iowa Games. If my students want to compete, they are welcome to do so but I will not promote any tournament other than GM Shin's. I will say, though, that none of them go to any tournaments. I suppose this is due in large part to the fact that I don't talk about them. However, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we get like-minded people that join and stay with the school. I have had people, especially young (teens and early 20s) men come in and ask about tournament participation. When I tell them how I feel about it, I usually never see them again. This is just fine with me. Our school is non-profit so I don't have to worry about not being able to feed my family if we turn away potential students. That brings me to something I've wondered about in the past but never came to mind when I was reading d_d. How many schools out there are actually legally organized as a non-profit organization, association, whatever? Do you run into people who almost do not seem to believe that an MA club could be? A lot of people (around here at least) are very surprised when I tell them that we are non-profit. Some of our new students don't understand how we can be non-profit and charge dues. I tell them that NON-profit does not mean NO-profit. Curious again, :) Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Via, Suzanne" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:51:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #47 As a relative newcomer to Tae Kwon Do, I've not sparred, and hold no illusions about my abilities at this point; however, regarding the transvestite who intends to spar as a "female" . . . I firmly contend that BIOLOGICAL orientation should decide one's division in sparring or competition. Not because I feel women would be at a disadvantage, but because the divisions themselves have been created with biological, not psychological, orientation in mind. If need be, "he/she" can fight in "open" sparring matches . . . I assume they exist. For this biological man to compete in women's divisions convolutes the very definition of the difference between the sexes - regardless of ability. Suzanne Via E-mail: suzanne@pvcinc.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:30:50 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: down memory lane... Dear Ray: "...The UofI @ C-U was where I got my start in Tang Soo Do, ~30 years ago..." We would have started about the same tiem, then. I was fresh out of the Service in '72. Perhaps you remember Brownridge Institute (I believe it is still there). Mr Brownridge actually had opened 5 or 6 schools around the area and I was connected to the one farther south in Charleston (EIU). Was your group on campus or one of the commercial schools? I ask b/c unless I miss my guess the person who was doing the seminar was an Anglo Korean stylist who ran a group on campus. I could be wrong, though. I has been a while. Inquirng minds would like to know, Best Wishes, Bruce ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 9:08:16 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: RE: down memory lane... > "...The UofI @ C-U was where I got my start in Tang Soo Do, ~30 years > ago..." > > We would have started about the same tiem, then. I was fresh out of the > Service in '72. Perhaps you remember Brownridge Institute (I believe it is > still there). Mr Brownridge actually had opened 5 or 6 schools around the > area and I was connected to the one farther south in Charleston (EIU). Was > your group on campus or one of the commercial schools? I ask b/c unless I > miss my guess the person who was doing the seminar was an Anglo Korean > stylist who ran a group on campus. I could be wrong, though. I has been a > while. I was with an on campus group. At that time there were two MA groups on campus, that I knew of. One Shotokan club and one Tang Soo Do club. I went the TSD route. We practiced a few times a week in one of the campus gyms and would also occasionally workout in the (then almost new) combat room of the IMPE building. In these PC days, I wonder if there is still a "combat room" in the IMPE building??? I didn't know what other groups/schools might have been in town. I was just a poor grad student at the time and more interested in a cheap workout (I think it was like $30 a semester) than anything else. There were no Asians in the club during the three years I was there. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J. R. West" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:48:44 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Married instructors I guess I have to add my name to the list of married instructors. I met my wife when she enrolled in my class many years ago, and through her first four years of training, Renee attained the rank of 1st gup. She then moved to Colorado, where she was promoted to 1st dan under a Master Jung Lee, and I was invited as her original instructor to be present at her test. Things went bad for her in CO, and as a friend, I tried to give her some ideas as to dealing with some of the situations she was running into, but as of this time, there was NO physical or emotional relationship between us. I received a call one night asking if I would be willing to fly to Denver, meet her at the airport, and help drive her and her two young children back "home" to Jackson. I gladly complied, and after the trip, I realized that there would be more to this relationship than instructor-student, and six months later we were married, and became partners in everything, including the HapKiDo school. Renee ALWAYS had to be better than everyone else at her rank in order to keep the wagging tongues still, and anyone who knows her can attest that she wears her 5th dan VERY well. We have figured out, over a period of time, what we are best at, and we divide the duties accordingly, and although I outrank her and I am her teacher, I respect her opinions and generally admit that they deserve respect. There is, at least in this area, a tendency for male instructors to promote their significant others to high ranks without them being able to pull their weight, and I think that this does a disservice to all those women who work hard and earn every rank they attain. I had a friend who established a rule that in order for a black belt to date a non black belt, he first had to pay her contract in full. This seemed to keep the dating problem under control........J. R. West ------------------------------ From: Kirk Lawson Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:33:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Aikido/Hapkido Long time Dojang Digest Lurker, former TSD practitioner (with some HKD exp.) and current Aikidoka. I've found two major differences (outside of philosophy) between Hapkido and Aikido. First, is the emphasis on kicks. Most Aikido schools have little to no emphasis on kicking, in fact, many Aikido Dojos teach *no* kicking. Punching and other striking is taught, called "atemi." The purpose of which is to create a physical or mental "off balance" to be taken advantage of. The second major difference seems to be in the technical details of techniques. In Aikido, much more emphasis is given to producing an off balance in the attacker (called Uke [oo-kay]) before a joint lock or throw is applied. In fact, it's axiomatic of Aikido. Evasion, Off-balance, throw. In *that* order. The concept of taking, stealing, or allowing the attacker to give, an off-balance seems less critical in most Hapkido. As for the Aikido with competition: Shotokan Aikido (aka "Tomiki" Aikido) has various forms of randori and competition. I think that Yoshinkan Aikido might as well. One thing to remember is that there are at least SEVEN major variants of Aikido and countless offshoots, each with different stated emphasis and goals. Opposite ends of the spectrum in the Aikido world would be for instance, "Tomkiki" and Yoshinkan at "let's get physical" end of the spectrum and Ki Society Aikido at the "Spiritual, let's develop Ki" end of the spectrum. Hope this helps. Peace favor your sword, Kirk Lawson P.S., It was amusing to follow the "Sparring a Transvestite" thread both here *and* on RMA. hehehe. "Let us remember that if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it." -Samuel Adams ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:13:20 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #48 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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