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The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 26 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 061
In this issue:
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #60
the_dojang: Re: Master Gedo Chang
the_dojang: Knowing only one side of the story
the_dojang: Re: Distance to class
Re: the_dojang: Making a difference
the_dojang: Re:Distance To Class Too Far?
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #59
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #59
the_dojang: full contact = yes
the_dojang: Difference
the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #60
the_dojang: .
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From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:49:34 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #60
In a message dated 1/26/01 9:11:26 AM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< << was wondering how far people on this list have to
travel to their respective schools? >>
5 minutes - life's tough. ;-)
DS
>>
Takes me about one minute to walk, but it's my school so I know the long walk
is worth it! :)
gary pieratt
New CKC Web Page
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From: MJD99AB@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:40:39 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Master Gedo Chang
In a message dated 1/25/01 11:48:13 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< No, I am familiar with M Gedo Chang here in Illinois, but the person I was
referring to was GM Jang, In Mok. M Gedo Chang has had a Hapkido school here
in Illinois for quite sometime. I had an opportunity to train in his Main
Street school quite a few years ago. Apparently hes' one of those people
that students either think the world of or don't care for at all. >>
Thanks for the reply Bruce... I trained with Master Chang for a few years
about 10 years ago and Im one of the ones who loved him. The only reason I
quit is because I moved to Indianapolis for a job move. While I was in Indy,
I used to come to Chicago to train with my brother with Master Kanghoon Lee
at his Jung Do Hapkido school on Montrose. Do you know of Mater Lee? I also
liked him very much. While in Indy..I also hooked up with the ICHF (because
there are no decent Hapkido schools in Indy), ad went to several of GM
Pellegrinis seminars. I recently moved back to Chicago (downtown) and Im
still associated with the ICHF but looking for a local Hapkido Master to
train with. Ill probably go back to Master Lee. As far as Master Chang...one
of the students at his school told me his master was GM Ji. I never asked
master Chang...but I was wondering what his background was. Im not really as
hung up on lineage as some others.....( the exact history of Hapkido seems to
be a little vague and undocumeneted anyway) ... I just want to get good
training from whoever I train with.
Thanks Mark
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From: Carsten Jorgensen
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:57:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: the_dojang: Knowing only one side of the story
Rudy:
>>Leaving an Instructor (for whatever reason) should not automatically result in heaping scorn on the departing student.<<
Very true.
>> I know GM De Alba to be a very humble person, and I believe he had a good reason for going his own way. Perhaps Bob Duggan had an equally good reason to take leave. <<
Now, since you're posting on a public mailing list that DeAlba and Duggan are 'right' and GM Lee has done something wrong you must have a good reason to do so. And of course you have talked with both parties? What do you think DeAlba's "good reason for leaving" were?
BTW, the 'GM' title is in DeAlba's own style. In Hwarang Do GM is 8th dan and above.
>> To date, I have made no attempt to "air dirty laundry", and I have no intentions to do so. However, I reserve the right to defend my integrity if some misguided former student/peer should create a need for me to do so. These cases are bad for the art, and no one wins! <<
Yes, it's funny how things can change. But it always amazes me how people can hear one side of a story and believe they know everything.
BTW, eventhough I'm not a spokesperson for Hwarang Do, I also reserve the right to defend the intregrity etc.
Back on monday.
Carsten Jorgensen
Copenhagen, Denmark
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From: foxdragon@cuttingedge.net
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:14:32 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: Re: Distance to class
From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:40:47 EST
Subject: the_dojang: Distance to class
In a message dated 1/25/01 5:59:28 PM Central Standard Time,
the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes:
<< Hi all,
>I have found a Kuk Sool Won school, which is about 20
miles away (30 min
>drive from my house) and was wondering how far people on
this list have to
>travel to their respective schools?
> Does anyone think a 30 min drive is too far?
It depends on if you think the trip is worth it. I have
chosen for my new do-jang, Dave Pryga up in Mosinee. I
realize that this is going to be a 1 1/2 drive for me. Being
that it is Winter and also I have to make arrangements for
sis-in-law to get to work on Saturdays that right now I
cannot do this. I figured, keep on practicing so my training
does not rust in my old do-jang since my son still trains
with him and start up in Mosinee in the summer. I have GM
West's tapes of the basic hapkido moves I can work on until
I get there and also, I have to start again on my old forms
and practice them. I think GM West's program is worth the
trip.
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From: David Beck
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:36:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: the_dojang: Making a difference
>From: "Mac"
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:28:22 -0600
>Subject: the_dojang: Making a difference
>
...
Easier? The lesson? The people who make a difference in your life are not
>the ones with impressive credentials, great wealth, or the awards of
>achievement. They are the ones that care. As an instructor, I hope I'm one
>of those that my students remember that have made a difference in their
>lives. I challange yall to do the same.
Thanks Mac; this is a keeper. Every instructor, teacher, parent, and coach
can get a lift from this one.
David N. Beck Internet:dbeck@usa.alcatel.com
WATT Lead Engineer
Alcatel USA 1000 Coit Road Plano, Texas 75075
** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA **
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From: Thayne_Coffman@trilogy.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:23:23 -0600
Subject: the_dojang: Re:Distance To Class Too Far?
> Well, the simple answer is, it depends. I started out in KSW in a
> club that was ten minutes away. After moving, the closest KSW to me is 1
> hour and 45 minutes away. I go once a week. If I had to make that drive
> as a beginning student, I wouldn't have lasted very long.
I've never had to drive what I would consider a long time (20-30 minutes at
most),
but when I switched apartments this last time, one of the primary reasons
for my
choice was that it was < 10 minutes from class. Now my fiance and I are
looking
to buy a house, and distance to my class is as much a consideration as the
distance to her and my workplaces.
Depending on the other commitments in your life (I had relatively few when
I was
moving before), you can always consider moving to be closer to the right
instructor.
When the time comes for me to switch cities, that will be a consideration
again.
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From: FGS & KVF
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:31:21 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #59
> From: "Rich"
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:23:58 -0000
> Subject: the_dojang: Distance To Class Too Far?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have found a Kuk Sool Won school, which is about 20 miles away (30 min
> drive from my house) and was wondering how far people on this list have to
> travel to their respective schools?
>
> Does anyone think a 30 min drive is too far?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Rich.
>
No way! I used to drive 80 miles away for a 3x/week class, but have since
changed schools so that it is only 25 min away. Does not really take that much
time, do other errands on the way there or back. KSW is a fun art to study.
Enjoy
Spunky
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From: FGS & KVF
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:36:31 -0800
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #59
So what do people think of the full contact vs point sparring? I tend to agree
with C. M. Griffin "The Last Word" in BB magazine, that pulling your strikes in
practice leads to pulling them in a street confrontation. What you practice is
how you react without thought. Also, if no contact is made in sparring the
student does not get a feel for what a strike feels like when they block it, or
get hit by it, same goes for the opposite student who gets blocked or lands the
strike. I think solely sparring point is not good for the students.
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:44:09 PST
Subject: the_dojang: full contact = yes
>So what do people think of the full contact vs point sparring? I tend to agree
>with C. M. Griffin "The Last Word" in BB magazine, that pulling your strikes in
>practice leads to pulling them in a street confrontation. What you practice is
>how you react without thought. Also, if no contact is made in sparring the
>student does not get a feel for what a strike feels like when they block it, or
>get hit by it, same goes for the opposite student who gets blocked or lands the
>strike. I think solely sparring point is not good for the students.
I would have to agree. When I started in TSD all we did was non-contact
sparring. That, of course, does not mean there wasn't contact. But you
did not extend the full power of your techniques into the opponent. It
can develop bad habits. Folks can work full power on the bag and in drills,
but it is not the same as using full contact in a sparring match, IMHO.
Ray Terry
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From: "Rudy Timmerman"
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:14:58 -0500
Subject: the_dojang: Difference
Mac writes:
> The people who make a difference in your life are not
> the ones with impressive credentials, great wealth, or the awards of
> achievement.
I can't agree with you more Mac. Great post!
Rudy
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From: J T
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:05:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #60
"If you're interested in the Silla Hwarang history I
recommend my own pages at
qww.hwarangdo.com/hwarang.htm. You'll find more
stories there than anywhere else, including in Korean
"
Thank you for the information. I have printed those
pages out and I will be using that as another source
of comparison to the Korean history pages I printed
out.
""He, like Duggan, is a "renegade" of the Hwarangdo
Asso."
A Duggan term"
Agreed, Duggan was the one to use the term renegade.
I believe the WHWDA called him and the others
"..indviduals who falsely claim to be teachers or
authorities of the martial art Hwa Rang Do"
""This may be a cultural thing, of losing face. So I
would have to disagree in saying that the letter
(Duggan's) was from a ranting of an old man."
How do you see that?"
Duggan, for whatever reason, left WHRDA and sprung out
on his own as a certified black belt. This, in
return, caused GM Lee to expel him from the HWD. I
have known several GM's who have had students leave
for reasons and open their own schools. To save face
the GM's would expel them from the school for whatever
reason. This is to show that the student, right or
wrong, was dishonorable. This is how I see this.
"Duggan has not been involved with Hwarang Do for more
than 20 years (the main reason why there are so many
mistakes in his page) so I have never trained with
him."
So then you can not account for what really happen on
a person to person basis, just from what you have
heard from GM Lee or other members of the WHRDA.
Personally I don't know Mst. Duggan or GM Lee so I can
not make a judgement either way. Only the mat can
tell you if someone knows what they are talking about.
"But I have trained with, and meet DeAlba many times,
he tested for 2nd dan when I tested for 1st. I have
nothing against him, I just don't want people to think
that his videos are Hwarang Do...."
I believe Mst. De Alba calls his system Fa Rang Do or
Modern Hwa Rang Do. Concepts are based in the
original art but he has since added or modified based
on his own experience. Again, he always gave credit
to GM Lee.
"Sure, GM Lee is a great teacher."
I agree, it is apparent in the students that he has
turned out like Mst. De Alba. GM Lee should be proud,
not be condeming.
Jeremy
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From: Ray Terry
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:38:23 PST
Subject: the_dojang: .
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