From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #67 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 067 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Cup the_dojang: Re: HKD and kids the_dojang: RE: Knife Work the_dojang: RE: Kids and HKD don't mix the_dojang: Nothing personal the_dojang: Re: Children in HKD the_dojang: Question about slow twitch - fast twitch - explosive power the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #66 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bernard G Redfield Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:19:27 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Cup << > So as soon as the match started, he kicked me hard in the groin, then said > > "never forget your cup". And I was hooked !!!!!!!!!! Stayed with the Korean > > arts ever since. > > > > and I've never forgotten to wear it since. > > > > gary pieratt>>>> This reminded me of a friend who also forgot his cup, he tried a head high round kick as his opponant did a spin back kick,unfortunatley below the belt, he was rushed to the hospital in convulsions, one testicle was flattened like a pancake and had to be removed, the other blew up like a grapefriut, he did eventualy recover, but did not go back to Karate, so there you have it, wear your cup ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:01:46 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: HKD and kids In the schools I have visited and trained at in Korea, they are HKD only schools and kids make up more of the student body than adults. (Like many schools here in the States) Korea, like the States, has more younger martial artists. As adults get into the job market, married, etc. time for martial arts is lost. I know many men in Korea who "used" to practice TKD or HKD or something else, but no longer due. (but they often get their kids enrolled) Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:12:14 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Knife Work Dear Michael and Ray et al: Thank you for some extraordinary material on knives. I have never been a big fan of folders though I carry my spydeco just about everywhere. I thought I would take a moment and answer publicly a comment I hear quite often about the role of weapons in Hapkido. Specifically I get asked a lot about why the knife is the last weapon people learn to fight with. I think the material you both presented goes a long way towards answering this. In spite of what the average street punk might think they know about handling a knife, there is a lot to be learned about how the body moves in relation to the architecture of the knife, the manner in which it is gripped and the activities of the target. In Hapkido we don't pretend to teach this in a single seminar. Instead the student is gradually phased into the various biomechanics such that one by one, various things like grips are identified for particular duties and situations. I like the way Mike itemized the various grips and in learning to handle a knife offensively and defensively each of these grips would have probably been examined in their turn with some previous weapon. Unfortunately the actual art of Korean knife fighting is disappearing as much of the material that one finds now is little more than short sword word borrowed from Japanese Kendo and Kenjitsu material. It would be interesting if anyone knows of a school that still teaches the original Korean material or even those applicable parts from the Daito-ryu curriculum. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:28:05 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kids and HKD don't mix Dear Lee: "...I am curious about how many instructors have younger children taking HKD? Do you use a significantly different curriculum? Master Jae Kim and I are discussing the possibility of HKD for kids here. He is thinking about the possibility. I am asking for recommendations. Thanks you in advance for any ideas you might have towards such a program....." I hope this doesn't come across as too terse but I am not now nor have I ever been a fan of HKD for children. I can probably give a lot of reasons but I suspect the following sum it up pretty well. 1.) Children are not mentally and emotionally prepared to handle Hapkido. The art I am speaking of isn't warmed over Aikido but the traditional art including weapons, chokes, locks and pins, throws and breakfalls. Nor are they developed enough to appreciate the philosophical underpinnings of the art. 2.) Children are not physically prepared to handle Hapkido. Prior to puberty there is quite a bit of calcification that has not occurred in the joints which may then require excessive force to cause the pain compliance often associated with many of the techniques. 3.) Any art can be watered down to allow safe participation by just about anyone. One can degrade the art to such a point that even small children could go through the motions, but I submit that a teacher is not teaching Hapkido then but a clever modification of the art. 4.) Adults deserve to learn the real art without having to modify their behavior in deference to a youngster. 5.) There are plenty of arts that offer self-defense without teaching lethal and debilitating techniques. When they are old enough, if they want it they will ask for it. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:41:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Nothing personal Me: "I don't know Mst. Duggan or GM Lee so I can not make a judgement either way. Only the mat can tell you if someone knows what they are talking about." CJ: "You're making this into something personal, This is just a question about knowing Hwarang Do history or not." If my last statement made it sound like I was taking this personally, I apologize, for I am not. I have learned never to take any of this personally. I enjoy debating such things, because that is how I learn. My statement about the mat is a general statement that I heard a long time ago during another debate about HKD masters. All the talk in the world about rank, connections, famous teachers, etc., doesn't mean anything if the person can not perform on the mat. I have no doubts that GM Lee is a great martial artist, in the same sense I have no doubts that Mst. Duggan is a great martial artist also. So please do not think I take any of this personally. The reason why I brought up the point in the first place was due to your initial comment about Duggan's rantings of an old man. I do believe that article on his site is an old one. I checked back on the WHRDA website and they have since taken out the specific reasons for the expulsion of the students and threw them together under one general group. Since neither you nor I were there to know the real reason for the break up between the two we can not go on saying this or that about who is right or wrong. On the history side, Duggan may be totally off (again this is a different debate outside of why he left.) I believe Mst. Burdick brought it up but if there is a way to get a hold of the 1968 book, that would be great. I already have the HWD books 1 and 2 and I would love to compare the similarities and differences. Would you say that nothing has changed in the teaching syllabus in that time frame? I would be interested in hearing a comparison of then and now. Since so many martial arts training as had tendencies to get "water downed" due to some instructors trying to make a living at it. Anyway, I do thank you for your point of view on these matters since you are the closest thing to a spokesperson of HWD that we have here. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:41:54 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Children in HKD I studied HKD for a little over eight years and have now studied KSW for seven years. I have seen children taught in both arts with a great deal of success. There are a couple of small differences when we teach and work with the children to maintain a higher degree of safety due to their age and degree of control but all and all it has worked out quite well. If taught properly I believe either art is perfectly suited for children. Richard Zaruba ____________________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba, Head Instructor Kuk Sool Won / North Dakota 201 Veitch Avenue Emerado, ND 58228 Http://www.kuksoolwonnorthdakota.com/ richard_zaruba@und.nodak.edu Sch: (701) 594-6290 Hm: (701) 746-5048 > From: hogwldfltr@cs.com > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:45:28 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Children's HKD? > > Hello All, > > AS some may remember I am currently studying HKD here in Tucson; my 14 y/o son > is also taking classes with me. My nine y/o daughter went with us to the last > class and was facinated by the dive rolling and throughs. At our school, HKD > is an adults only program; TKD is for all. I was surprised when I was in LA > over Christmas to see HKD only schools. We visited one near Monrovia with > mainly young kids taking HKD classes. I am curious about how many instructors > have younger children taking HKD? Do you use a significantly different > curriculum? Master Jae Kim and I are discussing the possibility of HKD for > kids here. He is thinking about the possibility. I am asking for > recommendations. > > Thanks you in advance for any ideas you might have towards such a program. > > Best regards, > > Lee Fisk > > Tucson ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:54:05 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Question about slow twitch - fast twitch - explosive power I looked at some of the powerlifting links posted a couple of weeks ago and found them interesting. I know very little about power lifting but have learned about the 2 types of muscles you can develop and enhance through lifting. "Fast twitch" is for explosive power (like for sprints) and "slow twitch" is more for endurance (run the marathon). I am interested in hearing from some of the martial artists on this list that also lift regularly what type of training they do to develop explosive power (fast twitch muscles). In particular, according to the articles, it is these muscles that deteriorate first when you age, so this info is of use to "ancient warriors" interested in maintaining their exposive power moves... Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:20:24 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #66 In a message dated 1/29/01 2:27:25 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Would have you felt the same way if you had been injured by the kick? This is irresponsible. You may now remember to wear your cup, but there are less abusive ways to get the message across. Kerry >> guys, chill out. This was back in 1976 and I said these kinds of lessons are gone, and for the best. I was merely sharing what is now a funny incident in my martial art history. gary ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:15:56 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #67 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.