From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #71 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 31 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 071 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Lite the_dojang: Re: Original HKD Curriculum the_dojang: Guenette seminar. the_dojang: Kids the_dojang: hand conditioning the_dojang: kids and HKD the_dojang: RE: Gunting Training Drone the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #68 the_dojang: Kids and Hapkido the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:55:55 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Lite I think you missed my point Bruce. I don't actually take things out of the HKD curriculum. It depends on the childs age as to were I put a technique into the curriculum. Take the opposite situation. We once had a 74 year old taking hapkido class. there was no way he would be able to do a spin kick. Does that mean he can't learn hapkido? Todd ------------------------------ From: "Ron Bain" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:48:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Original HKD Curriculum Hi Rick, Thanks for you reply, and a mighty interesting one at that. Would love to see the results once all is completed. Exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. Also thanks to those who answered me privately. Very much appreciated. Ron <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Korean Hoshinsul On-Line: http://hoshinsulonline.tripod.ca Sr. Computer Tech. - Cambrian College: http://www.cambrianc.on.ca <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > I have GM Ji's original curriculum (the original hand-written by him). I > kept the original and gave him a copy. Needless to say, it is in a very safe > place. I have been working on a translation for about the last four years in > the development of an english version. I'll have to ask him when it was > written and if it was when he formed the KHA. Many of the things in it need > to be expounded upon and may be of little use to those that are not of his > lineage. Copies and translations of his manuscripts will be one of my next > projects. ------------------------------ From: "Gecko K. Martial Arts" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:20:49 Subject: the_dojang: Guenette seminar. This past weekend I was privileged enough to have the opportunity to attend a sparring seminar by Pierre Guenette. (Several Time ITF champion among other titles.) It was a fabulous seminar and Mr.Guenette is one incredibly nice person, he has no huge ego that is often common among some elite fighters. If you ever have the chance to attend one of his seminars, I would most highly recommend it. Sandy >>--------------------------> Gecko K. Martial Arts http://Welcome.to/Kenpo "All Martial Artists Welcome to come and share." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:13:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kids Bruce writes: > Children are not mentally and emotionally prepared to handle > Hapkido. Hello Bruce: I treat this issue the same as I look at children going to school. We hope they will make it to University, but they have to attend grade school first. I teach all the children in my classes as if they will eventually participate in our more "intense" adult classes. However, I realize that I must prepare them for this journey first, and I prefer to do this in our school rather than have them go to another school for their prep. BTW, someone else wrote a post on hitting the bag until the hands were bleeding (while a "young" student was present). If this young student also participated, I can only hope s/he is not so young as to perhaps cause irreversible damage to the (still growing) bones of the hand. Granted, it would maybe take some time to do such damage, but I HAVE seen such dedication in youngsters. Us Greybeards must guide the younguns through their training with care and thoughtfulness of their future. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "TNT-Police Combatives ." Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:00:56 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: hand conditioning Martin, The only advice I would give is to take it REALLY slow. The bones and carpels in the hand and wrist are very brittle, but the musculature and bones can be conditioned to accept a good deal of force. The problem is in the arthritic possibilities that will come from over conditioning...not to mention the ugliness of squished knuckles. I use a variety of things to condition. Makiwara(striking posts), wood dowels (for forearms and shins), normal bags, and I have one Thai bag filled with sand. A method a friend used was to fill a bag with sawdust. As you pound the bag, the sawdust settles and the bag gets firmer. Add more dust as it settles, and soon you'll have a pretty firm bag. The Okinawan Karate I started in was big on conditioning. When I moved to TKD, I noticed that others lacked the ability to accept/give blows. When I started teaching, I included many of the same slow conditioning methods, and soon people didn't wince from doing a middle block. Bottom line, take it slow. Mark Gajdostik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "mo :b" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:23:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: kids and HKD thanks for the response, lee. as adults, the first thing we learn about knife defenses is that you should expect to get cut. as an adult, i can rationalize this, but how can i expect a child? as an adult i can make a choice to either abide by the knife of an attacker or take my chances, but can a 10 year old make that decision? (in a lot of ways, children think that they will live forever.) if i make knife drills non-threatening and like a game to kids, am i really doing more of a disservice? conversely, if i don't teach it at all, then am i failing to empower my students? what if i teach a knife/gun defense and it, god forbid, has to be put to use and fails? or what if i never teach knife/fun at all and a kid never has a chance? anyway, these are just a few of the ramblings going through my mind. we've decided to teach knife techniques in my kids' classes and now we're on to debating gun defenses. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Rowe (outlook)" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:34:41 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Gunting Training Drone Those are nice training knives and were great until Spyderco itself made the drone models for several of its knives for its Martial Blade Craft Program. The Training drone is located at http://www.spyderco.com/online_product_info.asp?sts=1%2F31%2F2001+7%3A34%3A0 2+AM&pfid=C68TR&deptId=1020&mscssid=WQMNKJVSR0RR8MB3PNF22BTS38QW0XJ2 This product is the true way to train with any tactical folder. Spyderco has these drones on other models as well. The Edges2 product is nice and makes a good substitute if one can not afford the Drone. Michael Rowe ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:38:37 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #68 << Besides working on the heavy bag and on sand are there any other methods anyone uses that has proven to work well for them in hand conditioning? Martin One of the Gray Beards >> My Sa Bom Nim has been known to use and anchored wooden beam that is wrapped with twine...looks sadistic to me... - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:11:22 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kids and Hapkido Hi Folks, I tried teaching hapkido to kids for about 6 months a while back. I had been very successful teaching tkd, but wanted to step it up a bit and make it more complete. So... Jeremy asked: A question for all those who teach Children's HKD. Could any of you share your curriculm that you use when teachings a kids' class of HKD? I have tried in the past to get my kids interested in martial arts and they just don't seem to want to learn, thought they love to play it. I have been mostly taking them into TKD classes when that might have been the problem. They love to tumble around, so maybe HKD may be the direction to go. The main problem here is the kids don't want to learn. So don't make them. Find out what physical activity they want to do and have them do that. Not everybody has to like martial arts. We do, and that's great, but I don't think people should force their kids in one specific direction. My son is not very interested in martial arts either, but he loves soccer so we do that instead. My daughter loves to wrestle and comes downstairs to watch daddy and his friends on the mat all the time, so eventually I'll start teaching her. But it's up to her. And Bruce says (in reply to Dan I believe).... Now, its true that you can have kids "sit-out" their breakfalls rather than do air rolls. You can also take out the more risky wrist/elbow throws, take out chokes and locks, reduce pain-compliance, by-pass soh bong, dan bong, cane, sword, staff and knife, forget the philosophy, and drop the emphasis on pressure points. You can also focus primarily on the gross motor functions and skip over the more technical material regarding mis-alignment, checking, displacement and refinement. What is left over will be enough to help keep the kids interested, give them some significant self-defense techniques and justify the money their parents are paying. It won't, however, be Hapkido. For the most part, I have to agree with Bruce on this one. I agree that there are certain locks (hammerlock, sabang tonjigi, etc.) that kids shouldn't be doing, and certain holds that some of them can't be trusted with (full nelson, head locks). I had a class of 7-17 year olds. The 13-14 year olds and up are trustworthy with all that hapkido offers (although sentry elimination techniques may not be what mom and dad want taught!). In fact, hapkido was good for retaining the older teens as students, as they wanted something more adult to practice. The younger kids need more direction, and I think would be best served by a combination of judo and taekwondo. As for weapons, I have taught stick, Chinese saber, iaido, nunchaku (of course!), and a couple others to kids and never had any problems. They liked the Chinese saber best, because it was flashiest and they really wanted to just look cool. All of the weapons work we did was through forms, however. We only did heaven 6, sombrada, and other kali drills with the older teens. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 7:42:04 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #71 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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