From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #75 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 1 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 075 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #73 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #72 the_dojang: Hapkido Schools the_dojang: Re: Hapkido and kids the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Not-Quite-So-Lite the_dojang: Re: DD #70 - Sparring, Self Defense, and Survival the_dojang: Re: Kids and Hapkido (Gun and Knife Training) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #74 the_dojang: Hapkido Lite the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MJD99AB@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:05:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #73 In a message dated 2/1/01 12:02:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: J Thomas Howard Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:12:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: HRD question... Odd question that may have an obvious answer to some Hwarangdo people: Has anyone other than the Lees met Suahm Dosa? (Sorry about the spelling---I don't have my other dojang mailings handy.) Other than the Lees, did anyone else train with S.D.? Pictures? Meet him? See his technique? Just curious. >> I know of a Hapkido Master to told me one of his teachers was Sin-am Dosa. Does anyone on the list know if this is the same person with perhaps a different spelling? Has anyone ever heard of Sin-am from Mt. Jiri? Thanks Mark ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:56:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #72 he developed this different technique so he could kihap loudly without hurting his larynx (or vocal cords) << Shaun M. Fortune >> My Kyo Sa Nim has said that the improper method of Ki haping lead to a permanent change in his voice. In defense of your student, not everyone just knows how to call up this "spirit yell" from their diaphragm...That's why vocalist take sing lessons...improper technique can lead to polyps on the vocal cords - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: "Alagna, Steven M" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:15:54 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Schools Hi All, I live in Olympia, Washington and am currently a student of TKD. Does anyone know of any good Hapkido schools in the area?? I have checked out various resources but don't see anything. Steven M. Alagna ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:11:40 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido and kids Dear Bruce, I do understand where you are coming from, and agree with some of your points. However, are you saying that all the schools in Korea, teaching HKD, are not really teaching HKD because they have young students? Korea is the Country of HKD's origin, KHF is the largest HKD federation, and kids are taught, don't see how this could not be considered Hapkido. Just wondering your thoughts on this? Keep up the interesting and thoughtful dialogs, Alain ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:10:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hapkido Not-Quite-So-Lite Dear Rudy: "...BTW, just in case you include me in the group of seven. I'd like you to know of at least one association that does not hand out certificates indiscriminately. I may, however, provide an alternative for those hard working individuals who had the misfortune to get caught up in politics. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association...." Nope. I think we may have even talked about this once, off-line. The folks that are involved in this sort of commerce know who they are, know what they are doing, and know why they do it, despite protestations to the contrary. Their "customers" also know who THEY are and what they are doing and how the game is played and why. Ideally what I would like to see is a board of peer review to oversee the processing of candidates, and to whom an organizational chairman would be accountable. With the modern elctronic advantages of the Internet you could have 50 people--- one in each state to review an application and supporting documantation and submit questions or opinions. How come a 3rd degree nobody from Illinois can figure this out but nobody else seems to? Tell me again--- exactly what is it that we are paying membership fees to our leadership for? Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido. ------------------------------ From: "Yarchak, Mary Kay" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:55:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: DD #70 - Sparring, Self Defense, and Survival To Cheree re: DD #70 (Hi MK, I know your watching : )) Yup, sure am. A few issues behind this week (dratted "career opportunities") but taking it all in and lovin' every minute of it as usual... :-) Now that I'm here... in regard to Cheree's post and Ray's response (repeated below) I have a question for those folks on the list who have actually had to use their arts in a self defense, or in an extreme case, survival capacity. Cheree: I agree, Mr. Redfield, that the practice of pulling techniques does not lead to doing so in an actual fight/self-defense situation. After all, isn't control the key element of Martial Arts? Ray: It is when your art's focus in on non-contact sparring. But IMHO if your art has a more self-defense focus to it, then control, i.e. pulling techniques, will not benefit the -average- student. Having started in TSD I have lived in both camps of thought. Perhaps someday I will return... :) People take martial arts for a wide variety of reasons, but for me the key element of martial arts is survival. I'm pretty new to the martial arts -- have been practicing TSD for only a couple years now -- and have not had to use it to defend myself in a "real" situation. I like to think that I wouldn't step back into fighting stance and attempt to tap a potential mugger with a couple light-ish roundhouses to the midsection, I like to think I wouldn't freeze like a deer in the headlights, I like to think I wouldn't go completely berserk-o out of control and attempt to out-pummel someone 2X my size and 3X my fighting skill... but hey, I just don't know. So, for those folks who have been in the situation to know, what did you actually do when "it" hit the fan? And did it in any way resemble what you thought it would? If you are a stand up fighter a la TKD, TSD, etc. did you use this? Or did you use more of your hoshinsol? What about the HKD folks? If you have trained in multiple arts/styles, which did you find yourself using? Did you use your art at all or did you fall back on basic playground/street fighting from your younger days? Thanks all, Tang Soo! MK ------------------------------ From: hogwldfltr@cs.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 17:03:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kids and Hapkido (Gun and Knife Training) Hi again Mo, You wrote: > From: "mo :b" Snipping... > as adults, the first thing we learn about knife defenses is that you should > expect to get cut. as an adult, i can rationalize this, but how can i expect > a child?  as an adult i can make a choice to either abide by the knife of an > attacker or take my chances, but can a 10 year old make that decision? (in a > lot of ways, children think that they will live forever.) > > if i make knife drills non-threatening and like a game to kids, am i really > doing more of a disservice? conversely, if i don't teach it at all, then am > i failing to empower my students? what if i teach a knife/gun defense and > it, god forbid, has to be put to use and fails? or what if i never teach > knife/fun at all and a kid never has a chance? > > anyway, these are just a few of the ramblings going through my mind.  we've > decided to teach knife techniques in my kids' classes and now we're on to > debating gun defenses. Here is my additonal thought on the matter. I believe that with something as lethal as guns and knives any of us needs to use common sense regarding the loss and gain of our action. AS you say it's easier for adults to rationalize their situation then for kids. I would hate to be in any situation where my life was threatened and not have the tools to save it. ONce again I am talking hypothetically becasue I do not teach at a school and I only teach my own two children, however, I believe that they are capable of learning that force is a last resort, that fighting when your life depends on it is better then dieing without a fight and that it is not necessay to fight unless you are at great risk. Sorry for the philosopical answer. Best regards, Lee A grey beard in Tucson ------------------------------ From: DWoods321@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:41:09 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #74 Does anyone on the list know what the korean word for sai would be? Thanks and Tang Soo! David Woods ------------------------------ From: "Luc Nguyen" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:56:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Lite Dear Bruce, You seem to have a very strong conviction on what is and is not HKD. I am not sure I understand what that is. Let's say that a new adult student signed up for your HKD class. Would you teach him/her HKD in the first day, first week? Is there anything that you would teach that adult white belt but will not teach a 10 years old in the first week? Everybody agreed that there are HKD techniques that should not be taught to kids for various reasons. But most of those should not be taught to beginning adults either, yes? HKD is infinite and we can spend a life time learning, enjoying and benefiting from it. Since I don't think anybody can claim that they know everything about HKD, if we teach simple and safe HKD techniques to some kids, they can enjoy it, and benefit from it. As they grow up if they are still interested in it and continue to train they can learn more and appreciate more of its fine points. Luc ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:49:55 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #75 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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