From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #77 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 2 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 077 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Ken's travels/GM Canete the_dojang: comment re: vocal cords the_dojang: Thank you Re: the_dojang: Re: Ken's travels/GM Canete the_dojang: the_dojang: Power the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo Newsletter February 2001 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Martin" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:02:49 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ken's travels/GM Canete This past fall, GM Canete did a demonstration with some of his senior students at the ITF's Gen. Choi Cup tournament. I happened to be out in the hall as his group was walking through the demo. I spoke to a couple of his senior students and asked them if the let GM throw them (being 82 -- can he still work as hard as he did?) The response was "you don't let GM throw you -- you try to keep from getting hurt by landing right!" The demo was very impressive. The students were great but the best was GM Canete doing a four on one defense. I hope to be so able at 82 years young. > Keep in mind that GM Canete is approaching 82. He still can kick my butt. > > > McD... On this note: I have worked with Gen. Choi - 82 years or so old; seen GM Canete at 82 years and a few others. They all appear to be vigorous men. What are your opinions as to what keeps them in shape? Regards Robert Martin An "old guy" but a child in the arts ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:36:48 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: comment re: vocal cords >"spirit yell" from their diaphragm...That's why vocalist take sing >lessons...improper technique can lead to polyps on the vocal cords >- -Cheree Sabunim got polyps on his vocal cords from so many years of yelling (he calls it lecturing) at us. After the surgery the doctor told him not to raise his voice for 6 weeks and we rejoiced! Then, in the next class he showed up with a whistle which replaced his kyups for a while. BTW, the lecturing didn't stop - he had a black belt student bring in some speakers connected to a microphone and when he wanted to make a point he would crank up the volume... Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:02:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Thank you Dear Patrick: "...In posts past, Mr. Sims seems to advocate an ill defined Hapkido, and then complains about Hapkido lite! He refuses to recognise exiting authority, but wishes to establish new authority? Might I suggest that you don't ask the question, unless you want to know the non-answer. It is that way because Masters make it so. The hodge-podge addition of incongruent technique by non-Masters does not make infinity, it makes confusion...." I was very appreciative of your comment in that your last lines about a "hodge-podge" speak in some way to the point I was wanting to make. I think you may be doing Luc a disservice by characterizing my contributions (earlier or otherwise) as advocating "ill-defined Hapkido". I think even a cursory examination of everything I have written advocates for a better defined understanding of what the art is and where it is going. Perhaps my definition does not come from the same perspective as your own. However, I think we both agree that the art benefits from a clearer, more concise definition rather than a more general, even eclectic, approach. In balance to this let me also say that I have no intention of swinging to the other extreme and advocating slavish adherence to some rigid or stodgy definition of that same art, either. Blind adherence to a methodology or philosophy for no more than "'cause GM says so" insults individual intelligence and is a recipe for disaster, especially within the context of American culture. As to the matter of recognizing authority, perhaps a little clarification is in order here as well. I have no problem whatsoever recognizing authority. I understand very well who the individuals are who have established themselves in position of authority and I recognize that authority. Where you may be getting confused is in my position that people in positions of authority are accountable to the individuals over whom that authority is executed. In my humble opinion, as well as that of a number of thinkers in the last few centuries, leaders are mandated to meet their responsibilities of the positions in which they find themselves. If an individual elects to identify himself as a GM, SGM or all-knowing Revered Wizard, I can certainly recognize that. I will also damn well hold him accountable for doing right by both his art and his membership. I will also damn well make a noise when said GM, SGM or Wizard drops the ball. That's a little different from not "recognizing authority". I hope this helps. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:04:55 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Ken's travels/GM Canete > On this note: I have worked with Gen. Choi - 82 years or so old; seen GM > Canete at 82 years and a few others. They all appear to be vigorous men. > What are your opinions as to what keeps them in shape? I have a lot of 'fun' experiences working out with Manong Cacoy ("Manong" = a Filipino term a respect, esp to a senior) on Sunday afternoons in the backyard of his home here in San Jose. He splits his time between Cebu in the Philippines and San Jose, CA and traveling around teaching seminars. At least for Cacoy, the thing that seems to keep him going is his warrior spirit. He always wants to be ready, willing, and able to engage in 'battle', should that need arise. He lived in a time in the Philippines when bad blood between families and rival martial arts groups was settled by open challenges, publically staged, with no suing afterwards. I think in his mind he is still that 50 or 60 year old taking on all comers. Yes, he won a major countrywide full-contact Masters tourny at the age of ~60... But back to what keeps him is shape... I think it is also his constant training and teaching. He never seems to tire of it. I know some people only half his age that are already tired of teaching the arts and would rather set in the back and let the senior students do all the work. But he seems to enjoy it more and more as time goes on. I can also say that he is truly a pleasure to be around. e.g. many times when you are near a famous person you like to get your picture taken next to them, right? He always wants his picture taken with -you-, making -you- feel like the important person. I just can't say enough good things about him and his kind... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 15:42:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ian writes: > I require my students (particularly senior dan > holders) to achieve practitioner status in Oriental Medicine (OM). Hello Ian: I wish we could be as free to teach such things in Canada. Here, the "professionals" are often still reluctant to refer a patient to a Chiro, and Oriental medicine is only just now beginning to receive some credence. This type of training was a regular part of our old curriculum; however, for the sake of avoiding lawsuits etc., we can no longer afford to practice it. As far as First-Aid and CPR, I demanded these basics (as a prerequisite for 1st dahn) nearly two decades ago. About ten years ago, I included a fairly comprehensive exam on Human Physiology and Fitness Principles. I am happy to see that NAPMAA, in cooperation with the famed Cooper Institute, is now pushing for some knowledge of fundamental fitness principles. While we teach martial arts, we cannot overlook the fact that many people join for the fitness benefits of our art. In fact, many schools actively promote this aspect to lure students into their schools. Now some will no doubt say that this is NOT teaching true art, I say that I can't teach anybody anything unless they first join (regardless of their reason). I have some pretty different ideas about the warm ups my old Korean Instructors made us perform. These warmups often included exercises that were geared for a culture that uses no elevated seating and sleeping devices. Consequently, the development of our (Westerners) legs is no doubt different from theirs (Orientals). No disrespect, just a fact of life. Over the years, I have seen just a few too many Western practitioners with knees that were totally ruined, and I felt strongly enough about not injuring my students (due to lack of knowledge) that I returned (at an advanced age) to University in order to study Exercise Science. It appals me to visit some schools where the biomechanical aspects of a simple kick or technique are totally ignored because the Instructor was never asked to study it. I don't blame the Instructors in question, I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Grand Masters and Masters who don't demand that their Instructors have a sound knowledge of ALL the aspects of teaching martial arts. Self-defense begins with safety. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:17:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Power Bruce writes: > I know a GM who told me to my face that he teaches one-half of what he > could or used to because his American students didn't have the dedication > to learn the whole curriculum. Who gave this gentleman that kind of power? I too have experienced this; however, as I mature and lose my bitterness, I wonder if this is really a "power trip", or a simple matter of martial art evolution we cannot escape. Martial arts, by design, were intended for something totally different than what most of us are using it for today. Perhaps the Masters hold back some of the traditional techniques, because they just don't fit the needs of today's practitioner. Indeed, they may serve to deter people from joining, and so the Master may simply be exercising prudence to keep his students from quitting. A possibility, yes? Just as I now MUST tell my students that punching someone in the face could literally kill them (if they cut their punching hand and mix blood), perhaps the Grand Masters in question may just have enough insight to understand that the majority of students can't handle more than half of the techniques. I must say that, for those of us who want it all, this is a truly sad state of affairs. We may even feel bitter and disappointed. Unfortunately, we can't seem to escape the constant evolution of the martial arts. This brings me to another point. Because many arts were founded in the fifties and sixties, we can use simple math to figure out that these founders are fast approaching retirement age. Indeed, we sadly note the passing of many great practitioners with alarming regularity. This makes the job of historians valuable beyond imagination. I sincerely hope that, despite some of the ribbing they get here, they will doggedly pursue their ambitions and document all they find - lest we lose it forever. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: "AAU Taekwondo Newsletter" Date: 2 Feb 2001 20:45:44 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: AAU Taekwondo Newsletter February 2001 AAU Taekwondo Newsletter - http://www.aautaekwondo.org Greetings! Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for February 2001. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms including: WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org Send comments or questions to: DMazor@mediaone.net In This Issue: *Olympic Gold Medalist to Teach at AAU Summer Camp *AAU Taekwondo Team to Head to Kansas City *Olympic Style Sparring Tips *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule *Olympic Gold Medalist to Teach at AAU Summer Camp 2000 Olympic Gold Medalist Steven Lopez and his brother Jean Lopez will teach at this summer’s AAU Taekwondo Gold Medal Training Camp. The AAU camp will be held August 23-26, 2001 at Disney's Wide World of Sports Athletic Complex in Orlando, Florida. For more information contact Michael Friello: 518-372-6849 MFriello@aol.com *AAU Taekwondo Team to Head to Kansas City The AAU Taekwondo Team, which competes under the AAU's sponsorship at national and international competitions, will follow up its March trip to Las Vegas for the U.S. Open with an April trip to Kansas City to compete at the Kansas City Classic. The Kansas City Classic is an international competition that will be held April 6-7, 2001 at the Blue Springs High School in Blue Springs Missouri. The competition is hosted by Oren Gautreaux. The event will also be open to AAU and non-AAU competitors and registration packets will be sent to AAU member clubs. For further information contact: Oren Gautreaux 816-229-6611. *Olympic Style Sparring This article excerpted from: Taekwondo Kyorugi: Olympic Style Sparring By: S. H. Kim - K. H. Chung - K. M. Lee Special thanks to Turtle Press at http://www.turtlepress.com for the use of this article. Strategic Tips for Winning Counterattacking has a better chance of scoring than attacking for advanced competitors. Beginning and intermediate competitors are most likely to score with single direct attacks. In a close match, an attacking fighter is more likely to win than a counterattacking fighter unless the counterattacker can score a knockout. The most frequently used attacks are roundhouse kick, back kick and axe kick. Successful competitors can effectively counter these kicks. The side kick and front kick are rarely used in competition any more and are highly unlikely to score points. The roundhouse kick is the preferred kick for scoring, followed by the back kick and axe kick. Kicks to the trunk score points more frequently than kicks to the head. Spin whip kick is the least likely kick (out of the frequently used kicks) to score. Feinting should be used sparsely and only when there is an intention to attack. Counterattacking fighters should capitalize on the use of their front leg to increase chances of scoring. Occupying the center of the ring is most advantageous. When the opponent positions himself in the corner, prepare to counter an aggressive attack. When the referee says "Kaesok" attack immediately. The above article is copyrighted by the author. All rights reserved. For more training tips visit: http://www.aautaekwondo.org *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule [snip] ************************************************************** *Special Introductory Offer Exclusively for AAU Members from Summit Flexible Products. Buy 50 or more CardioFlex™ or CardioFlex Twin martial art mats and get tapered safety edge strips FREE. Call 888-FOR-MATS or e-mail: summitinfo@aol.com ************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________ The AAU Taekwondo Newsletter is brought to you by the AAU Taekwondo Program at http://www.aautaekwondo.org edited by David Mazor: DMazor@mediaone.net ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:24:08 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #77 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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