From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #80 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 4 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 080 In this issue: the_dojang: WTU? the_dojang: New Training Courses the_dojang: Anything Goes the_dojang: Expecting to get cut Re: the_dojang: Expecting to get cut the_dojang: West's Hapkido gathering down south ? the_dojang: Arnis Summercamp in Germany the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "NSA CONSULTATION GROUP" Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:46:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: WTU? Has anybody heard of the World Taekwondo Union? If so, do they have a website? george petrotta http://taekwondo.4dw.com http://hapkido.4dw.com http://gpetrott.webjump.com NSA CONSULTATION GROUP includes NSA Martial Arts, NSA Web Design and NSA Consulting Services! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:31:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: New Training Courses Guard Up, Inc. has formed a new alliance with Michael deBethencourt of CQC Services and SIG Arms Training Academy to offer courses in Tactical Knife, Weapons Retention and Defensive Shotgun. Please visit our website for more information and registration: http://www.guardup.com/training/michael.htm Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:53:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Anything Goes Bruce writes: > "Anything goes" might mean cutting out anything which does not appear to > have immediate purpose or application. Hi Bruce: Your post reminds me of an experience with a former classmate who now runs his own schools. After both of us were sort of left to fend for ourselves (when our Grand Master left the area), it became easy to "fix" the curriculum we had been taught. No one there to keep anybody in line. Anyway, my classmate threw out a whole bunch of techniques just because they did not "work" for him. In addition, he rearranged the "order" of the techniques so they would fit better in his scheme. This was done with total disregard to the order of progression the techniques had in the "building blocks" of the curriculum. Because of my size (6'6"), there are a number of techniques that do not work well for me; however, I never lose sight of the fact that these techniques could work very well for another person. Similarly, I teach fan techniques. Picture this: A 6'6", 240lb guy working the fans. Not a pretty sight. Despite how silly I may look with a pair of fans in my hands, I refuse to eliminate them from the curriculum. I think it my duty to carry on teaching their use. Unfortunately, the precedent of throwing things out has been set, and our area is now "blessed" with several versions of a beautiful art. Let's see now. The Grand Master eliminated half of the techniques because we "Americans" could not handle the whole thing. The next generation throws out a bunch more, because it did not suit their profile. The following generation probably has some stuff that they can't make work. Other Grand Masters pass on before they have a chance to teach it all. Hmmmmm. You historians better start documenting this stuff fast. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 10:55:10 EST Subject: the_dojang: Expecting to get cut A few days ago: <<<<>>>> I know that many teach this, and it has always bothered me. I do not teach a person to "expect" to get cut. I teach to avoid getting cut. Yes, if you get cut, you deal with it, but you don't go into it "expecting" it to happen. For starters, it remindes me of Earl Nightengale's "Strangest Secret" Earl was one of the first great motivational speakers, and his secret, or message was, "You become what you think about most of the time." Or something real close to that. If you go into a fight, or knife fight, expecting to get cut, well.... Next comes some of the training I did in So. Cal. with Marc MacYoung. He had me out in the back yard doing a lot of drills to AVOID getting cut. That is the key! I know those who teach that you should expect to get cut do it so that if it does happen, you don't freak out, go into shock, etc. I just don't think it's a good way to teach. I'm not aware of any real solid proof that "expecting" it will lesson the reaction of getting cut or stab by someone who has never experienced it, or has never even experienced a real fight outside the training hall. Don't "expect" to get cut, do everything you can to avoid it. If it does happen, you have to deal with it just like anything else. Just a couple thoughts on a Sunday morning. If I ever get the pictures taken, I'll finish up the article for Blackbelt on knife fights. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 8:57:34 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Expecting to get cut > <<<< should expect to get cut.>>>>> > > I know that many teach this, and it has always bothered me. I do not teach > a person to "expect" to get cut. I teach to avoid getting cut. Yes, if > you get cut, you deal with it, but you don't go into it "expecting" it to > happen. As an Eskrimador, I must respectfully disagree. We always teach that you must expect to get cut, because you will get cut. The first rule of all blade encounters, you WILL get cut. Yes, we work on avoiding the cut, but we work more on deciding where we hope to take the cut. Avoiding is great, but it is rare, very rare, that you will be able to avoid it. Heck, in most cases you don't even see the knife until after you're already bleeding. Assume you will get cut and then work on taking that cut somewhere on your body where it will do the least amount of damage, e.g. outside of the arms & hands instead of your belly, neck, etc. If you see blood, even on your opponent, assume it is yours, not his. For you will get cut. One of the problems is that getting cut does something to the average person. Even if you cut yourself and you're standing there looking at yourself bleeding all over the kitchen floor we often go into a bit of shock, our system shutting down, thinking that couldn't have happened, how did that happen?!? A similar thing can occur during an interpersonal encounter, we see blood,,, gee, how did the other guy get cut?, I didn't cut him. Wait!, he isn't cut, I'm the one cut!! Instead of the shock that often follows this initial sense of denial, expect to see blood, expect to see your own blood,,, for you will get cut. IMHO Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 9:23:58 PST Subject: the_dojang: West's Hapkido gathering down south ? Master West, Can you give us a bit of the history behind your popular Hapkido gatherings? When did they begin? How did it develop over time? Are most of the folks that attend mostly more local or more from outside your general area? Do you have people attending/teaching that are not in Hapkido? Just curious. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 9:34:26 PST Subject: the_dojang: Arnis Summercamp in Germany Forwarded message: Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I would just like to inform you, that I have now the english (and of course the german) information about our 7th Arnis summercamp in Germany. It will take place from the 30th of July to the 5th of August 2001 in Furtwangen in the beautiful blackforest in Germany. If any of you is interested in a week of training and fun in a beautiful area in Germany, mail me privately to: dk@abanico.de and I will send you more detailed information. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 9:51:00 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #80 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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