From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #92 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 8 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 092 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #90 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 the_dojang: RE: Boxing the_dojang: Re: Belt colors the_dojang: Belt Colors & Training Guns the_dojang: Training Supplies: richard hackworth the_dojang: Only 11 left! the_dojang: Colors and meanings the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:39:50 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #90 Dr. Hackworth, Thank you for the compliment I am not a Grandmaster my name is Hal no more no less I very seldom use the master title and my students address me by my name It tends to offend some but that is the way I am. As far as Hapkido I am Addicted and there is no high like training and sharing with others. I am sure on the list there are people whom will tell you otherwise but those That Know me will tell, I usually shoot from the hip with little care about consequence it tends to irritate some, and others think it honesty. HAL ------------------------------ From: HKDHW@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:44:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 I have seen Todd, With his sword and he is very impressive with finesse and grace I would highly recommend learning the sword from him as he is very dedicated to it use and tradition. Hal ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:06:44 EST Subject: the_dojang: RE: Boxing >>>I would have to disagree, also. On behalf of >>>slighter-to-average frame women, boxing (assuming >>>they were not speaking of kickboxing) seems to be >>>less of a self-defense bonus and more of a >>>cardio/conditioning one. If you are talking the aerobic kickboxing classes that have become the rage, taebo included, yes, not a lot of self-defense value. In boxing, real boxing, like Golden Gloves, the olympic sport, etc., you gain more for self-defense there than in many MA schools. Had a good friend in the 82nd with me who boxed in college before going into the Army. Watched him pummel quite a few people, some with MA training to boot. Of course, it is the person in the fight, rather than the style, but more often than not boxers can handle themselves in the street better than many martial artists. For a real good look at why boxing is so good for self-defense, check out the two books on boxing by Ned Beaumont from Paladin Press. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Robert Martin" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:12:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt colors Meanings of belt colors from "Taekwon-Do" by Choi Hong Hi. White signifies innocence, as that of a beginning student who has no previous knowledge of Taekwon-Do. Yellow signifies the Earth from which a plant sprouts and takes root as the Taekwon-Do foundation is being laid. Green signifies the plant's growth as the Taekwon-Do skill begins to develop. Blue signfies the Heaven, towards which the plant matures into a towering tree as training in Taekwon-Do progresses. Red signifies danger, cautioning the student to exercise control and waring the oppenent to stay away. Black is the opposite of white, therefore, signifying the maturity and proficiency in Taekwon-Do. It also indicates the wearer's imperviousness to darkness and fear. We like to joke that red belt actually means "target"! Regards, Robert Martin ------------------------------ From: "TNT-Police Combatives ." Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:23:12 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Belt Colors & Training Guns I finally get to air my theory of belt colors. All that horse puckey about deep meaning in belts....bah!!! Belt colors come from cheese...period. white-milk-absence of stuff. yellow-butter-getting more solid, but still not solid. orange-cheese-now there is something to build on. green/purple/etc.-mold(knowledge)starts to grow like crazy. brown-now there much stuff, people in this rank seem full of brown stuff! Black-now you understand what you lacked at white...and still lack. LOL. Anyway....I teach firearms defense to students after instructing them in a firearms familiarity course. Firearms are a big part of martial arts, and many empty hand arts neglect the info on them. Knowledge is power. I use a number of ASP redguns, but they can be expensive. I also took a 12x2 and planed it down a bit, and cut outlines of guns out of them...some with trigger guards, some without. Toy stores are also a good source. I have 2 plastic replicas of Walther P-99's. They don't shoot anything, but a pop is heard when you pull the trigger. Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Bernard G Redfield Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:48:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Training Supplies: richard hackworth "Training Supplies: richard hackworth" "Do any DD members have a favorite rubber or plastic model handgun for gun defense training. What model is best and where can you get them? What experiences have you had good and bad with handgun disarms in class?" How about a cheap water pistol, have your students go for a dis-arm, in the class , outside in a parking lot at night, in an elevator, where ever, see how wet they get. : ) Bernard ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:27:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Only 11 left! My book, "Hard-Won Wisdom From The School Of Hard Knocks: How to Avoid a Fight and Things to Do When You Can't or Don't Want To" will be re-released in the next couple months, and will again be available from book stores, amazon.com, etc. Right now, I have 11 copies of the Paladin edition left. If any one wants to purchase one of these, e-mail me. Cost $21.00 plus $3.00 for Priority Mail. I also sell autographed copies of the video "Hapkido Hoshinsul" also from Paladin Press for $39.95 plus $3.00 for Priority Mail. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Bernard G Redfield Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:06:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Colors and meanings "I was flipping through the new Century Martial Arts catalog and found several descriptions of the reasons behind the colors chosen for belts. I found that white was supposed to represent the purity of a new student. Red = intensity. Blue = loyalty. I thought this was fairly interesting (although not exactly useful). Does anyone know what other belt colors are supposed to represent, such as brown, yellow, or any others?" Well here is something I picked up from Michael Ahn, some time ago about the colors and the meanings in Korean: > > from Korean Newspaper > ........................................................................ > > [Hungbo's Gourd] The symbolism of colors > Visitors to Korea soon notice the predominance of intense primary colors > in the painting that decorates temples and palace buildings, on traditional > clothing and accessories, and on handicrafts. The colors are combined in ways > that may appear clashing or garish to the Western or the Japanese eye. > Nevertheless, the choice of colors is not haphazard but is based on a > somewhat complicated system of symbolism, and an attentive observer will > quickly spot certain patterns and combinations that are used over and over. > > Like their Chinese neighbors, Koreans traditionally classify all colors > under five primary ones. Two of these primary colors are black and white. > Black includes the darker shades of gray, and white embraces also the > transparency of crystal and glass as well as silver metallic colors. Although > all modern Koreans are well acquainted with the Western division of the > spectrum into the seven colors of the rainbow, the traditional classification > lumps the spectral colors and their various mixtures into three groups. One > of these groups, called p'arang in Korean, includes all shades of green and > blue. This is not to say that Koreans are incapable of distinguishing green > from blue-far from it, they have a richly varied vocabulary for describing > colors. Another group, called norang, comprises the yellows and earthy > browns. The third group, called ppalgang, is a catchall for the various reds, > oranges, vermilions, and reddish browns. > > Since ancient times in both the East and the West, mankind has sought to > relate everything in the cosmos to everything else in a coherent system of > symbolic correspondences. Although in the analytical scientific West such > systems of correspondences have for the most part been put aside, they remain > very much a part of traditional culture in China and Korea. In Korean in > particular, color plays a fundamental symbolic role in clothing, crafts, and > both religious and secular art. In old Korea, the colors of official banners, > uniforms, royal garments, and many other things were selected on the basis of > their symbolic connections. A person's rank or social status could usually be > determined by observing the color of his clothing and its accessories, and > sometimes the court issued decrees ordering the citizenry to don only certain > hues. > > Basic to the Korean system of correspondences is the relationship of the > five color groups to the five cardinal directions, which is why the five > primary colors are generally referred to as obangsaek, or 'five-direction > colors.' In the Orient, the center is included as a cardinal direction along > with the points of the compass. The color black corresponds to the north, > blue and green to the east, red to the south, and white to the west. The > yellows and browns belong to the center. All the colors have both positive > and negative meanings, which are seen as complementary in Oriental philosophy. > > As the color of the north, which is guarded by the Black Tortoise, black > is related to winter and its long, dark night. It is often regarded as a > color of evil and death but also of the disintegration of the old in > preparation for the emergence of something new. Black is also associated with > poverty and with frugality and modesty. Of the five basic emotions, black > stands for sadness, but it also represents the virtue of wisdom. Black's > element is water, and it rules the kidneys. The black planet is Mercury, and > thus black is Wednesday's color. As a taste, black stands for saltiness. > > As you might guess, the blues and greens are associated with spring, new > beginnings, and everything that goes with them: initiative, adolescence, > exuberant creativity, and organic growth. They are also associated with > youthful folly and inexperience as well as sexual pursuits. Commoners and > low-ranking officials were often required to wear blue or green in the Choson > Dynasty, while those with higher rank wore red garb. The Blue Dragon is the > guardian of the east, and blue is the color of benevolence and kindness. > Blues and green correspond with happiness, the liver, wood and growing > plants, and sour or acidic foods. Jupiter is the planet of blues and greens > and these colors govern Thursdays. > > The reds, which include maroons and reddish browns, belong to summer and > lush growth. They represent the culmination of solar energy, fire and heat. > Reds govern etiquette, bitter-tasting foods, speech and communication (and > therefore writing and literature, as well). These colors rule the tongue, the > heart, and the small intestines. Red is the color of Mars and thus governs > Tuesdays. The Vermilion Bird is the guardian of the south. > > White is the color of completion, of harvesting the fully ripened crops. > It is the color of autumn, of joy and pleasure, of entertaining and having > fun. White represents sounds and music, justice and righteousness. It is also > the color of mourning. The White Tiger is the guardian of the West. White's > planet is Venus and therefore rules Fridays. > > The yellows and earthy browns are the colors of kings and emperors > because the monarch rules his land from a central position. These are the > colors of stability, balance, thought, and trust. Fragrances and > sweet-tasting foods belong with the yellows, which also govern the stomach. > Interestingly, there is no governing mythical animal to guard the center-the > king or emperor himself has that duty. The yellow planet is Saturn and > therefore yellow is the color of Saturdays. > > There are many more associations than I could include in such a short > column, but perhaps this is enough to give you some idea of just how full of > meaning the tradition Korean use of colors is. > > Gary Rector can be contacted at gary@korealore.com. - Ed. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well that was it , I liked it enough to keep it , I hope it helped TANG SOO Bernard ps (hello Michael, Glenn, say hi sometime) ------------------------------ From: Leah Makuch Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:27:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 Re: Belt Colors According to the book "Tae Kwon Do," by Jon Gerrard and Yeon Park, these are the belt colors: White - Innocence and purity Yellow - The color of the rising sun. The student is beginning the art. Green - Growing things, reaching toward the sky. The student is expanding his/her skills. Blue - The sky, covering all the growing things. Expanding skills and building on what s/he knows. Red - Blood, life, passion. The essence of everything living. The student is adding passion and power to the art. Black - The combination of all colors. The student has mastered the techniques and is ready to begin serious study of Hae Kwon Do. Hope that helps. - -Leah Makuch lyet143@student.umass.edu www.umtkd.com ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:43:38 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #91 In a message dated 2/7/01 7:24:50 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Disarms are frequently taught prior to getting into retention techniques. The first rule (can you tell I like rules? :) of disarm -practice- is to keep your finger out of the trigger guard, else it easily gets broken. For retention techniques I like former LEO Jim Lindell's method, not surprizingly called The Lindell Method of Handgun Retention. Ray Terry >> Make sure you purchase a training handgun with no trigger guard, or saw it off. As Ray mentions, using a weapon with a trigger guard is looking for an accident to happen. gary pieratt New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:14:35 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #92 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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