From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #96 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 9 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 096 In this issue: the_dojang: two free lectures at IIC/KCI the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #94 the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: Arnold's Battle of Columbus (Ohio) the_dojang: Ohio the_dojang: Leadership - Mandate from Heaven the_dojang: Salmon the_dojang: Re: Gun Disarms the_dojang: terms the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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(KCI) 1362 Post St. (at Gough), San Francisco 94109 415-441-1881 E-mail: iic@iic.edu Website: www.iic.edu FREE LECTURES OPEN TO THE PUBLIC North Korean Music: Songs for the Great Leader Tuesday, Feb. 20, 2001 6:30 pm Keith Howard, author of =E2=80=9CKorean Musical Instruments: A Practical Guide=E2=80=9D and senior lecturer in Korean studies and music at University of London, will speak about North Korean music. His lecture will consider the development of cultural policy in North Korea with reference to music. The lecture will include audio and video examples of folk song, revolutionary song, opera and dance. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The North Korean Dilemma: Muddling Through or Economic Reform? Thursday, Feb. 22, 2001 6:30 pm Sangmok Suh, former member of the ROK National Assembly and currently a visiting scholar at the Hoover Institution, will discuss the current status of the North-South dialogue and the recent bold diplomatic gestures of Kim Jong Il. The summit between the two Korean leaders last year raised many expectations about inter-Korean economic cooperation. Suh's lecture will address the implications that North Korea's economic policies may have for both Koreas and the United States. Light reception at both events. The Intercultural Institute of California (IIC) / Korean Center, Inc. (KCI) is located at 1362 Post St. (at Gough), San Francisco, CA. For more information, call 415-441-1881 or e-mail: iic@iic.edu. Check out our web site at www.iic.edu ------------------------------ From: "Shaun M. Fortune" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 09:47:30 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 >------------------------------ >From: "Via, Suzanne" * * * snip * * * >1. Regarding the knife hand block - "sohnal makki" - what is the >correct prefix for the double knife hand block? Would it be "Sang sohnal >makki" or "Doo sohnal makki"? Or does it even matter? > >2. What is the difference between "koobi" and "suhgi"? Are they >interchangeable or is there a rule of sorts for this? "koobi" is only used >for front "ap" and back "dui" stances, and the rest are "suhgi"? These questions are probably best asked to your instructor, but just for the sake of sharing, we use Tu Sonnal Makki for what we call knife hand guarding block (which sounds like your double knife hand block). We actually use "Jase" (jah seh) for stances. Ap Kubi Jase for front stance, twi kubi jase for back stance, kyorugi jase for fighting stance, etc. I thought the question was whether to use "seogi" or "jase" instead of "kubi" or "seogi". Guess that would be a good question for MY instructor. ;) > >Also, I understand that there are two "divisions", if you will, in the >teaching of TKD, the "traditional" and "modern". The Koryo school to which >I belong teaches both the Chonji forms and the Taegeuk forms. I noticed >yesterday when I visited the link for Indiana University provided by Dakin >Burdick, their TKD forms are "Kicho" and "Pague", but have the same >suffixes >of "Il Jang", "E (or "Yi" by my manual) Jang", "Sam Jang" and "Sa Jang". >For some reason, I thought that the Chongi and Taegeuk forms were the >standard TKD forms. I could use some enlightenment, obviously? Thanks!! > >Suzanne Via It is my (possibly very limited) understanding that there are three main groups of forms in use today. The taeguk, palgwe and songham forms. (Songham forms are ATA, I belive and I know absolutely nothing about them other than that. :) The palgwe forms are the older style forms and are not used as frequently today as the taeguk forms. I'm not sure if the difference would be "traditional" vs. "modern", but we do the palgwe forms and I would consider our school more "traditional" than "modern". (I'm currently putting on my flame-repelling suit for using the word "traditional" ;) Just my $.02. Shaun M. Fortune Taekwondo/hapkido _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:52:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #94 In a message dated 2/8/01 6:13:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Question number one: Does he have any legal recourse to stop the creditors? Question number two: Who do you feel is in the right? Question number three: Where are my black and stripe socks? Jeremy >> Man, I have seen this happen a number of times. First: Did the contract specify terms of cancellation? We allow students to cancel the contract for legitimate reasons (illness, moving, financial hardship, physical inability to continue...etc.....) However, they must give two full months notice (which means, even if they don't show up to train, they still pay the 2 months. Perhaps there is a catch in the contract... If the student has a serious complaint about the service, they should contact the Better Business Bureau. Personally, I would speak with the owner in a civilized manner...you catch more flies w/ honey... - -cheree ------------------------------ From: "NSA CONSULTATION GROUP" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:47:24 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 This has to be one of the funniest clips I have seen lately. If you didn't take the time to look at it, do so now. george petrotta http://garciatkd.com/instructor.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Sarah Pride Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:47:43 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Arnold's Battle of Columbus (Ohio) >>> Is anyone on the list going to Arnold S's Battle of Columbus Martial Arts Tournament and Expo? <<< My parents are going there, actually, as their first vacation in around 20 years, for their 25th wedding anniversary. :) The MA tourney is actually secondary to them; they want to see the weightlifting stuff. Ever since our family started weightlifting a couple years ago, they've wanted to see one of those competitions in person. Beats me why. All the video ones look the same. :) >>> Just thought I'd ask...might be interesting to meet some people on the list down there. <<< Oh well. All nine of us kids will still be at home, bein' good. :) - -Sarah Pride- ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:29:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Ohio Udell Holmes II asks: > Is anyone on the list going to Arnold S's Battle of Columbus Martial Arts > Tournament and Expo? > > Just thought I'd ask...might be interesting to meet some people on the list > down there. Hello Udell: I will be attending the event, and I'm always happy to meet new friends. Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:52:04 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Leadership - Mandate from Heaven Dear Mr. Sims, Please do not misconstrue my disagreement with animosity. I concur that the "mandate from Heaven" argument for leadership has lost its effectiveness in most circles. However, I offer a more practical and logical rational. For example, if you want a BB in Hapkido, and I can assist you in attaining that goal, then it behooves you to follow my rules for obtaining your desired goal. Ignoring the issue of loyalty for the sake of this argument, the subject submits voluntarily to the rules imposed by the leader in the quest to fulfill a goal. Now, look at the other side; an acolyte comes to you looking to be taught Hapkido. What benefit will you inure? What compensation will you require. What are your Martial Goals, and how can this subject help you achieve them? A problem occurs when the subject is allowed to see the relationship as technique for dollars. Worse yet, the oriental MA system breaks down when the leadership sees the relationship as technique for dollars. However, the greediest, meanest, most morally bereft individual can still be a leader. One might make the argument that history indicates a necessity of such characteristics. Neh? - Neh neh! A Dictatorial competent leadership has never been the problem; self-indulgent, fair-weathered, disloyal, rationalizing students always has been. In closing, to help you understand the error of a popularity based leadership in MA . . . I submit to you the fact that Wrestling is THE most popular entertainment! Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:23:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: Salmon > > http://garciatkd.com/instructor.html It is the Salmon mpeg for those that have already seen it. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:05:58 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Gun Disarms George. After watching this video "I" became a believer and changed my curriculum regarding the direction of clears! Dana On 2/8/01 George wrote [snip]: >Has anyone seen a video series on gun disarms produced TRS (Threat >Response Solutions). The instructors claim that through their trial and >error esearch (using real handguns with wax bullets) they found that >clearing the weapon to the inside of the attackers body (pushing on the >back of the hand holding the weapon) will cause them to pull the trigger >involuntarily much more so than clearing the weapon to the outside. > >I have never heard this before, do others use this principle in their >handgun training? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:37:44 PST Subject: the_dojang: terms > We actually use "Jase" (jah seh) for stances. Ap Kubi Jase for front > stance, twi kubi jase for back stance, kyorugi jase for fighting stance, > etc. I thought the question was whether to use "seogi" or "jase" instead of > "kubi" or "seogi". Guess that would be a good question for MY instructor. Sounds like you're using a mixture of the terms. Jase/Chasse is the older, more Chinese, terminology. Like chungul chasse is the old term for front stance. How about horse stance? keema chasee or juchoom sohgi? The first being the older Chinese terminology, the later the Korean terminology. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:03:29 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #96 ******************************* It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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