From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #103 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 103 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 - Contracts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #97 the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #96 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:46:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 << I don't know if this qualifies as a real test, Did anyone see the show JackAss where the "JA" lets himself get shot with the strongest Pepper spray, a Tazer , and a Stun Gun? He said the pepper spray was the worst(right?) Bernard >> I bought a stun gun when they became legally available to the several years ago AND THEY STINK. Out of foolish curiosity (perhaps a wee-bit of skepticism) I jolted my leg to see if it worked. (Did I mention I tried this as I was standing?!?) It didn't even manage to put my foot to sleep... My mother has a police issued device that has, on the other hand, the ability to stun a horse... - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: taxlaw@inetworld.net Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:48:32 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 - Contracts >From: Ken McDonough >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:56:52 -0800 (PST) >Subject: the_dojang: Re: Question on contract fees, etc. >I was following the thread on contracts previously discussed herein. I now >offer this question. If an individual has a month to month contract with >a school, and it is on a family basis, what occurs in this situation. An >individual leaves the country for several weeks or a month. This individual >and his family is unable to attend for the time period due to either a >vacation or business. >If the individual has pre-paid for the month's time period of instruction, >should the school/instructor provide a credit for the month the individual >and his family were unable to attend. Should the instructor permit the >pre-paid monthly fee to be applied to the subsequent month when the >individual returns from vacation or a business trip. >Thanks >Ken McD.. Wearing my lawyer hat -- The first place to look is the contract itself. Travel and vacations are reasonably foreseeable events which do not alter the terms of the agreement. If the contract has a provision providing for the credit or if a subsequent agreement regarding vacations was reached --- fine. Otherwise the contract stands unaltered - no credit or other rights arising under a concept of fairness. This is the same situation as being signed up for a national health club/fitness center's multi-year contracts. Even if you don't go, you are obligated to pay. In many cases school owners do not retain either ownership or servicing on a student contract. The contracts are sold to third parties at a discount. This provides short term funding and gets the school owner out of the collection business. It also avoids harsh feelings when someone drops out and is still bound by the contract to pay. A student in that situation is less likely to bad mouth an instructor if a third party is enforcing the debt. If the contract/note was drawn correctly as negotiable paper - you cannot even contest the obligation with the third party if the teaching is poor. A student must dispute with the instructor and have him buy back or pay the note to get out of the obligation. No buyback or payoff of the note and the obligation remains outstanding and enforceable. Wearing my Martial Arts Student hat - when you sign to support a school at a certain level per month, you should plainly and simply keep to that obligation without regard to whether you have utilized the school you are supporting. If you want the school to be their when you get back, you pay while you are gone. School Owners depend on your payments. Predictability and budgeting are important to a martial arts school. Giving away future revenues is seldom wise, though it seems kind and not very painful. For a student who is gone for several weeks the best a school owner should offer is a semi-private lesson or two to get the student back on track. Yours in TKD and Hapkido - Joel S. Weissler, Attorney at law ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:14:21 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 <> << But in Korea, white is the color for death... >> I'm pretty sure Jiguro Kano (The founder of Judo) was the inventor of the colored belt system ***My rebuttals and apology*** As I (literally) hold my "Gup Manual" in my hand, I am reading the symbolic detail of the Korean flag. (which I have recreated on my website if anyone is interested @ www.cskimkaratebloomfield.com ...look at Student Page...click any patch on the red-belts do bok for an expalanation...) The white field of the flag is said to represent the people of the country. Now, this is a mere extrapolation from the symbolic mean of the flag, but I assume that the color white could not mean death if it is used in the flag to represent life. White is know to be, in literary terms across the board, as a symbol of purity/innocence/new beginnings. I find it hard to believe it means death in any culture. Granted, one can frequently come across invalid/un-researched resources, but I have faith in my Korean Masters' knowledge. (they wrote the manual...) As for the belt system: By "Americanized" I mean the tendency to desire immediate gratification. This is an American trait. From what I have been taught, the belt system (the innumerable primary color system) was created in America (perhaps by Asian artists though) to satisfy this and as a DD member said, make the training system more enjoyable/gratifing. I never heard of Jiguro Kano...was this a basic ranking system between levels of say, BB and Master? I apologize if I have offended anyone's art and I appreciate the knew found knowledge... Ko mop su mida, - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:45:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #97 In a message dated 2/9/01 7:19:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << You still didn't tell him what happened to his socks. Donna >> I stole the socks and gave them to my puppy as a chew toy...he has destroyed all of mine:0) - -Cheree ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:16:55 PST Subject: the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano > symbol of purity/innocence/new beginnings. I find it hard to believe it means > death in any culture. My understanding is that it is in Asian cultures. > I never heard of Jiguro Kano...was this a basic ranking system between levels > of say, BB and Master? Dr. Kano was the founder of Judo. Kano and Judo introduced the concept of gup (kyu in Japanese) and Dan ranks, the belt system, and the standardized use of uniforms. Karate-do later picked this up. Thus it was later used in Korea and Korean arts. He/Kano was not just the first use belts, but also to have students wearing brown prior to black (i.e. he was the first to introduce the color belt system). Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Chris Hamilton" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:56:51 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #96 Hello Everybody, The way I understand it "jase" and "seogi" are interchangeable for stance, and "kubi" means inflected, as in bent leg. So "ab seogi" would be walking stance, and "ab kubi seogi" is front leg bent front stance. Chris H. Han Mu Do ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:27:58 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 In a message dated 2/12/2001 7:33:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If the individual has pre-paid for the month's time period of instruction, should the school/instructor provide a credit for the month the individual and his family were unable to attend. Should the instructor permit the pre-paid monthly fee to be applied to the subsequent month when the individual returns from vacation or a business trip. >> How many people in your town take off for a whole month for a vacation ? If one member of the family is off on a business trip ... that doesn't stop the rest of the family from attending the classes ... life goes on as usual. If someone wants to take off for a whole month and do whatever ... then they have a re-registration fee to pay to get back in. It is hard to train kids when they take large amounts of time off ... very hard. If they take off for a couple of weeks or are sick for a week ... they can make up the time in the following weeks. No problem. But you cannot make up a whole month. If they have prepaid ... and really have to be out of the country or state for a long period of time ... I see no problem in putting a hold on their program and having them resume it when they return. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:30:55 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 In a message dated 2/12/2001 7:33:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << if a particular student is unaware of it, it is most likely due to their own lack of attention, or poor instruction, not the style of TKD. >> Yes, you are correct and I stand corrected if you found that I seemed to be saying that. I am sorry. But we promote no one here unless they are ready to be promoted ... if it takes them a whole year ... so be it. It is up to them and the amount of practice and diligence in learning what they need to learn. Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:24:10 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #103 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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