From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #104 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 12 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 104 In this issue: the_dojang: contract issues/colors the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 Re: the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano the_dojang: Re: Belt Colors the_dojang: Change the Subject Line! the_dojang: Re: controlling where cut the_dojang: questions Re: the_dojang: Re: controlling where cut the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jerseyj Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:24:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: contract issues/colors Hi all, I remember one of my contracts explicitly allowed for one "hold" of a month per the year of the contract for whatever reason the client wanted it, beyond that one was obligated to pay. As for white=death or related to death , that's true in many cultures...for instance, a white shroud is used in an Orthodox Jewish burial ceremony. Jerry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: "Bruce Sims" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:37:28 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 Dear Ken: "...If an individual has a month to month contract with a school, and it is on a family basis, what occurs in this situation. An individual leaves the country for several weeks or a month. This individual and his family is unable to attend for the time period due to either a vacation or business...." As long as we are taking the science of contracts apart, I also would like to submit a question to the Net (in general) and I think it is in a way the flip side of your question, Ken. I understand that you are asking about an individual who is unable to attend classes for which they have contracted for. Since Jeremy first raised the issue of contracts a little bit ago I have been wondering what the responsibilities of a western student to his teacher is (in the absence of a contract)? What I mean by this is that if a student will only work through his own reluctance to submit to the discomfort, uncertainty, frustration and fears associated with learning a new skill--- in fact a combative science--because of a financial or legal compunction. Without such a contract what obligation does a student have to his teacher? Are teachers then expected to routinely offer quality instruction for which a student may or may not make a commitment. I guess where I am going with this is that a teacher who goes through all the trouble of leasing a store front, paying insurance, getting a phone listing, doing advertising, sitting in his storefront hour after hour, answers questions, and teaches material only to have a student leave for no better reason than that something else has caught their eye? Where I live, Bally Health Fitness has gotten sort of a bad rap because they are pretty hardcore about collecting on their contracts. I also know from personal expereince that my interest in conditioning comes and goes and I don't want to have to pay for those days and weeks when my conditioning interest is on the wane. In my head I know that its not really fair to fitness club providers for them to have to sit around until I get off my butt and decide its time to sweat. But in that secret part of me that still needs work, I still want what I want, when I want it, 'cause I want it and no strings attached. Now, in the short term maybe this isn't too bad, but I am wondering if in the long-term this doesn't have an overall bad effect on the stability and integrity of the MA -- and in my case, in Hapkido in particular. There seems to be a lot of energy surrounding the "flighty" nature of MA schools and instructors in neighborhoods. I suppose what I am really asking is just what it is that the average Joe on the street is really willing to pay, or sacrifice, to keep a quality school in his area? Yeah, I know, this really sounds like a "troll", but trust me, the quirie is genuine. BTW: I have a rough draft of a survey that I would like to present at the 16th Hapkido Internationale in Jackson, Miss in a couple of weeks. I would very much like feedback from members of the Net on the questions I have included. Unless Ray has objections or unless members have concerns I would like to submit the questionaire in its 4-page entirety. I would also accept responses if people would be interested in submitting a cut&paste email to me rather than fill-out the hard-copy at the Internationale. Perhaps in this way, people who are not able to make the Hapkido festivities Feb 23 to 25th could still get their opinions aired. On the otherhand I will understand if practitioners of other arts feel slighted and express their objections. Best Wishes, Bruce W(hat, MORE QUESTIONS!?!) Sims www.midwesthapkido. ------------------------------ From: Erik Kluzek Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:49:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Ray Terry wrote: > > symbol of purity/innocence/new beginnings. I find it hard to believe it means > > death in any culture. > > My understanding is that it is in Asian cultures. > I've heard this same thing as well. And although I can't say for sure in Korea, I'm almost positive that white is symbolic of death in Japan. And I'm pretty sure this is common in other Asian cultures as well. There's nothing inate in the color itself to indicate death or life. It just depends on how we interpret it and how the culture interprets it. Western culture uses white for weddings and black for funerals. I think it's almost the opposite in some Oriental cultures. As I recall the funeral in the movie "Shogun" everyone was dressed in white... Erik Kluzek Boulder CO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:45:01 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt Colors In a message dated 2/12/2001 2:20:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Dr. Kano was the founder of Judo. Kano and Judo introduced the concept of gup (kyu in Japanese) and Dan ranks, the belt system, and the standardized use of uniforms. Karate-do later picked this up. >> Funakoshi Sensei saw it and liked the idea and he put it in his Shotokan style of karate. Illona ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:13:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Change the Subject Line! ====================================================== Please change the subject line before you reply to the DD. the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 - Contracts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #95 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #97 the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #96 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #102 ========================================================= ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:30:39 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: controlling where cut i guess i'd go with alain on this one: dont expect to get cut. i say this because i see a lotta folks talking about controlling where you get cut. if you have enough control to decide _where_ youre going to get cut, it seems that you have enough control to _avoid_ getting cut. obviously, i'm not a knife fighter. sure, teach the reality that it could happen, but i dont think saying "youre gonna get cut, no way around it" is a way to talk yourself into getting cut, not how to survive the cut. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:56:07 PST Subject: the_dojang: questions > Unless Ray has objections or unless members have concerns I would like to > submit the questionaire in its 4-page entirety. Umm, can you cut that in half? Or request those that intend on filling it out to contact you directly? Or perhaps put it up on a ftp site. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:05:53 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: controlling where cut > i guess i'd go with alain on this one: dont expect to get cut. Actually the majority of the martial arts world would agree with you. Most Karate/TKD/TSD/etc folks train under this mindset. It is nothing new. The 'you will get cut' rule is fairly new to the broader MA world and mostly comes from those in the FMA/IMA knife arts. But opinions are like bungholes, everyone has one. :) > i say this > because i see a lotta folks talking about controlling where you get cut. if > you have enough control to decide _where_ youre going to get cut, it seems > that you have enough control to _avoid_ getting cut. Weellll, check out the blocks of RKD or SKD (any pro-tech ATA folks familiar with SKD here?). They are predicated on simplicity, build upon your natural reaction for the block. But you simply add to that (1) palm down & (2) same side block. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:26:37 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #104 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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