From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 14 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 108 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: White Colour/Sang Soo the_dojang: Re: ki for kids the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #107 the_dojang: not the best student the_dojang: Combat hapkido the_dojang: contracts the_dojang: Re: Positive Training Environment the_dojang: Re: Travelling students the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #105 the_dojang: Re: chondro malatia patella the_dojang: Re: chondro malatia patella the_dojang: Re: aol issue? nah. the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "WEE Shin Hoe" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:38:42 +0800 Subject: the_dojang: Re: White Colour/Sang Soo Dear Ray, White does not represent death in our culture--black is, it represents purity/innocent. However, it is widely used in funerals because it is the colour without any colours, the same reason that the departed's immediate family do not wear any make-up or jewellery to show that they are in grief. Sang Soo (loose hands) refers to collection of self-defense techniques practised by two or more people (similar to one-step sparrings) and it is found in most combat-oriented Kung Fus such as Kuntaos. I do not know anything about Jimmy Woo's Kung Fu Sang Soo but typical Sang Soo techniques in my country are no-nonsense strictly combat Kung Fu techniques minus all the complicated and fancy movements. At a glance they resemble more to FMA than typical Kung Fu. Regards, S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my From: Ray Terry > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:16:55 PST > Subject: the_dojang: Judo's Dr. Kano > >> symbol of purity/innocence/new beginnings. I find it hard to believe it means > > death in any culture. ------------------------------ From: UTAKOTKD@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:57:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ki for kids I think it is very important to teach this to kids. They are the futur of the martial arts. If the instructor has the respect and support of the entire family. There will not be any problems. Try this...we break rebreakable boards every night in class... it teaches them to focus and harness their ki. Of course, you have to explain this concept to them. Respectfully: wsj ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:47:49 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #107 In a message dated 2/13/01 7:31:28 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I understand that an organization will need to get the student "on the books", but with my experience on computers (yes, they are my livelihood), the cost of actually entering and tracking a student is minimal. SSHHHHHH don't say this too loudly! Insurance, perhaps? No, I would think that insurance would be covered though any monthly fees. No, insurance is covered and paid for from the membership fee. Insurance is very expensive. Mark Lasich mark.lasich@alcoa.com >> New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:52:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: not the best student In a message dated 2/13/01 7:31:28 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << That is what I mean by "if it takes a year to test" ... it isn't for everyone ... but there is always that one special student that needs that amount of time. >> I have a 12 year old student who has been with me 5 years, twice a week classes. He is not very athletic or talented. He in only a purple belt. (4th gup) He gets promoted about once per year. Lots of heart. From purple to brown is probably going to be a year and a half journey for him. He'll eventually get his black belt AND he'll probably do this for life. gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:54:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Combat hapkido In a message dated 2/13/01 7:31:28 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Why call it Hapkido?? No disrespect, but it seems it's no longer Hapkido after it's been chopped up (no pun intended) and other techniques added. Steven M. Alagna >> Let's not travel this journey again! gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:38:51 EST Subject: the_dojang: contracts Being a part-time martial arts instructor and a full time instructor/school owner are two different worlds. I know, I've been both. When I had a full time job, I taught TKD two nights per week. I only accepted 25 students. I had a waiting list. When a family would take an extended vacation during the summer, they were very glad to pay me, in order to save their "spot". No pay, no place in class when they got back. Now as a full time (this is all I do) instructor/school owner, I want all the students I can get. It would be nice if no one ever asked to have their tuition put on hold. But it happens. So what do you do? Refuse to put them on hold and have them quit permanently and lose their tuition forever, or agree to put them on hold and lose one month? Easy choice, no brainer................ However, if everyone wants to be put on hold due to summer vacations, how does the school stay open? This past December, we took a $400 pay cut due to "too many other expenses for Christmas". Thank you very much, now I can't buy what I wanted for Christmas, or now I can't pay my utility bill. How many people can take a $400 pay cut one month and pay all their bills? My neighbor's kid, been in my school about a year. He quit for December. Didn't come back in January. I asked him why not. "We can't afford it anymore", he said. Never mind he received a $1500 go-cart for Christmas. Man, I'd like to have one of those. My Point? Those of you who have the luxury of teaching for the sheer pleasure of it, count your blessing, and quit being so harsh about a situation that doesn't affect you. Yes, we full timers love our job, but it's tough. Our best friends took a 2 week vacation a year ago, wanted me to prorate their tuition. I refused. They paid. I let them make up the classes. Win-win situation. This December they took three week off, didn't even ask to be prorated, just made up their classes before and after the trip. Had others ask to be prorated. I refused, they quit, never to be seen again. They lost, I lost. But I still refuse to prorate due to vacations. Injuries, different story (unless it's due to baseball, no way! :) ) Financial hardship. Different story. I have a soft heart. In January I let a family out of a contract because their dad has been out of work. Works construction, been raining lots lately. Hopefully they'll be back. Contracts, great idea, but not always the best way to run your business. Easier to do in large cities than it is in a town as small as mine (2100 population). So, before you Purists out their get on a soap box, try to walk a mile in our shoes. Rent, mortgage, property tax, utilities, insurance etc... hey if it wasn't for taxes and insurance I could actually make a great living at this! gary pieratt ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:51:15 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Positive Training Environment > From: MissIllona@aol.com > In a message dated 2/13/2001 7:18:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << I don't push her too hard; I'd rather she just stay in it for a long > period than demand picture perfect form. >> > [snip] > No one in my school is picture perfect and you took what I had to say out of > context. What I said was "if" the student only comes once or twice a week > and only practices an hour every week at home ... why would I promote them to > black in only 18 months. Whoops! Didn't mean to come off overly strongly with the "picture perfect" comment, sorry. I tend to use examples in the extreme to make some sort of point. No offense was intended. > [snip] > Everyone is graded and promoted on how well "they" do what is required of > them. I do not judge them on how they should be based on the person standing > next to them. But if they are not up to what I believe their full potential > should be for the belt level they are in and the time in that they have been > in ... then NO, they do not get promoted. And cockiness is one thing that > holds a few back. Attitude is important. Sounds good. We don't compare folks to each other, either. > [snip] > That is what I mean by "if it takes a year to > test" ... it isn't for everyone ... but there is always that one special > student that needs that amount of time. I'd submit that in any school, there's more than one :). The interesting thought that occurred to me just now is that I worry about a kid stopping their training if they don't feel like they're progressing (i.e., belt-wise). Ironically, the times that I've told folks that I wouldn't be giving them, say, achievement stripes (that is, indicators that they've accomplished some subset of their ranking material), they've taken it well, and have continued to train. Maybe letting folks slide is, ironically, a statement that one DOESN'T have confidence in a student's ability to improve...Hmmmm. > Everyone has a choice in life ... to be a "good black belt" or to be "just a > black belt". There are lots of both in this world. True enough. I guess my point is that "just a black belt" is OK. If we were a country of millions upon millions of "just a black belt" students who still went at it every week, I'd altruistically hope this would be a Better Place. Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) ------------------------------ From: "Paul Rogers" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:56:12 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Travelling students > From: MissIllona@aol.com > > If a student is the type that has a job that requires alot of flying out of > the state or to other cities ... then I am sure the instructor can work out a > reasonable agreement that would benefit both. Maybe even a month to month > agreement wouldn't work for this individual and maybe just a mat fee > everytime he wanted to attend would be better. For 2-3 years, I had a job that put me on the road about 40% of the time. Since the ATA has schools all over, I was able to find a school everywhere I went, and pursue my training without interruption. It was great meeting different folks and experiencing different teaching styles, while still working on my ranking material. I was never charged to participate in these other schools' classes, and I had no qualms about maintaining my monthly payments to my home school. A pretty sweet deal, indeed, and one of the advantages of a big international system, IMHO. Back to lurking, Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) ------------------------------ From: Neal Konecky Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #105 Hello! Our dojang is looking to outfit our kids with warm-up jackets. I was wondering if anyone had an outfitter you use and would like to recommend. try landsend. they are not cheap but their quality is good. Neal Konecky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:47:35 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: chondro malatia patella hi eric! chondro malatia patella is the softening of the cartellage in the knee. happens to a lotta folks, especially as we get older, especially if we've been active. icing is great, before and after practise. so is the "cho pat" or similar type devices. it doesnt look like much, but it's a rubberish strap that goes around the base of the knee and supports the area just below the patella. the student can probably report "crepitous" or a crackling feeling in the knee when seated, placing a hand over the joint and moving the lower leg. it's also painful to have pressure put on the quad, just above the patella (kneecap), and lift the lower leg parallel with the upper leg. your student can strengthen the muscles around the leg by using light ankle weights, seating themselves on a counter top or some other place which allows the lower leg to hang down, and slowly raising the lower leg to a parallel position with the upper leg. strengthening the surrounding muscles can help compensate for the softening of the cartilage and thereby reduce the associated pain. the student can increase the weights over time (weeks and months, not hours). in the meantime, like i said, a "cho pat" or similar device would be helpful as long as the student doesnt become dependent and wear the device all the time. such dependency can cause the muscles surrounding the area to become even weaker, worsening the problem. as far as the patella being out of track, it sounds like that can be either simple (the muscles around the patella are weak, not holding the patella in place....so the exercises would help) or something more serious requiring medical attention, and possibly surgery to correct/ repair. regardless, your student will hopefully have regular appointments with a doctor who can monitor the student's injury. she should still be able to do martial arts. i'd just try to limit her activities to a degree that satisfies her needs and yours. i'd also make very clear that she should not, with knees bent, bring her knee and upper body out of line with her ankle. hmm. that doesnt sound very clear. leaning the knee out over the ankle and toes can be painful, especially for this student, and isnt great for the rest of them either. particular clarity about that with this student is important. melinda former athletic trainer In a message dated 2/10/2001 3:59:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hi All I've got a new student that has knee trouble. She says she was diagnosed with "condomylatia". Her description is from damage to her knees from jogging and doing Aerobics on hard concrete. She's also talked about how her patella doesn't track correctly on her knee. She said the condition is permenent. I've been taking her what I consider extremly slow and careful. But, she still confesses to me that her knee's hurt after practice. The first day we did some work with forward stance, but because she's new and not quite doing the motion correctly -- it put a lot of stress on her knees. So the next day she had knee supports and I had her do everything in walking stance. Her knee's weren't hurting after class, but they were by the time she got home. Does anyone have any advice for me regarding this? Is she going to able to do martial arts? What can I do to strenthen her thighs so that she won't be in such pain? Does anyone know where I can get information on this? I did a internet search and couldn't find anything (although she may have misspelled it for me). Thanks >> Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:51:20 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: chondro malatia patella sorry to intrude on helpful advice, but had to say: regarding the squats....they would be particularly painful and possibly more damaging to the student with chondro malatia patella. same goes with the squat-n-kick. i'd also skip the heat and just ice for 15 mins on, 20 mins off, then 15 mins on again. i certainly dont mean to be disrespectful to mister james. just needed to speak up on that one. melinda In a message dated 2/11/2001 8:58:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Mr. Kluzek: I have a student that has knee trouble. However, the knee trouble is not the same but the altercations in training have helped the student and may help yours. Hope- fully this advice will be of some use for you or anyone else. 1. Squats: No weights, start out with 50 reps and gradually increase. Feet slightly wider than shoulders. Squat to 45% to 90% angle. 2. Patterns: Restrict the training to focus on patterns. 3. Squat-n-Kick: Same as above. This time as you rise from the squat, deliver front kick or side kick or back kick. If you or the student choose to try this training, be sure that the student is wearing some sort of knee brace or knee wrap. Another tip: After work-out, immediately apply ice, then heat, then ice. Let me know how things work out. Respectfully: Willy James-UTA Head Instructor >> Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:55:29 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: aol issue? nah. In a message dated 2/12/2001 7:33:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << You keep on forgetting. She is aol.com. She probally has to have a different kind of file. >> nope. worked fine for me :) melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:26:22 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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