From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #109 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 14 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 109 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: knife fighting the_dojang: Re: women and knee injuries the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #105 the_dojang: Tragic News the_dojang: Re: knife fights the_dojang: 32nd UC Open Re: the_dojang: Re: knife fights the_dojang: Re: That money thing the_dojang: the_dojang: Re: Change of topics= hygiene in Dojangs/DoJo's the_dojang: Contracts and other stuff the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 the_dojang: RE:Combat Hapkido the_dojang: Re: Bare-Knuckle vs. One-Step Sparring the_dojang: Re: Simultaneous Training the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:00:56 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: knife fighting In a message dated 2/12/2001 7:30:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Weellll, check out the blocks of RKD or SKD (any pro-tech ATA folks familiar with SKD here?). They are predicated on simplicity, build upon your natural reaction for the block. But you simply add to that (1) palm down & (2) same side block. >> thanks ray. will check it out :) melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:54:16 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: women and knee injuries In a message dated 2/11/2001 5:01:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << My fiancee is a doctor, and at a recent lecture we went to (ah, free food) the presentation was on women in athletics. One of the presenters main points was on how women tend to suffer 2 to 8 times as many knee injuries as men, depending on the sport. Sports involving lots of cutting motions and quick turns (ahem, MA) were of course the hardest on the knees. They are not sure exactly why this is the case, but guesses are smaller size (which means smaller tendons), hip structure differences and hormones. >> semi educated guess: women normally have smaller quads then men and the quads have a big role in helping the knee do its job. just my 2 cents. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:02:48 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #105 In a message dated 2/13/2001 7:18:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello! Our dojang is looking to outfit our kids with warm-up jackets. I was wondering if anyone had an outfitter you use and would like to recommend. We are looking for a longer jacket that fits over the hips with/without an adjustable drawstring bottom. Color blocking or some stripes would be nice too. A website or a phone number would be appreciated. Margie Porras >> i had some information from a company called "jammin'". or at least i think that's what they are called. seemed reasonable. contact me privately if you'd like me to dig up the info :) (and no, my company is not related to theirs in any way, nor do i get a kickback). melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:32:15 PST Subject: the_dojang: Tragic News I just recieved this terrible news today: Rockson Gracie, Rickson Gracie's Son was reportedly killed in a motorcycle accident in NYC. That is all that I have heard so far via email from friends. Condolescences to the entire Gracie Family, especially Rickson and his wife. ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:59:57 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: knife fights In a message dated 2/12/2001 7:30:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << obviously, i'm not a knife fighter. sure, teach the reality that it could happen, but i dont think saying "youre gonna get cut, no way around it" is a way to talk yourself into getting cut, not how to survive the cut. >> well i screwed that up :). i meant: ...but i think saying "youre gonna get cut, no way around it" is a way to talk yourself into getting cut, not how to survive the cut." hopefully that made more sense this time. sorry, the baby's keeping me up late. i guess i'm trying to post too fast to get a good edit on :). melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.chajonshim.com Proud Sponsor of the 10th Annual 2001 US Open Taekwondo Championships ------------------------------ From: UC Open 2001 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:19:34 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: 32nd UC Open Dear Fellow Martial Artists, I just wanted to let you know about the upcoming 32nd UC Open Taekwondo Championship, which will be held on Saturday, March 31st, 2001 at the University of California at Berkeley's beautiful Haas Pavilion. For more information, please call us at (510) 642-3268 or email ucopen@ucmap.org. We also have a website at: http://www.ucmap.org/events/ucopen/ucopen2001/index.html We are expecting over 800 competitors, and the top 2 male and 2 female competitors will receive free airfare vouchers to join the UC Martial Arts Program trip to Korea this summer. I hope to see you and your students participate at the UC Open! Sincerely, Kevin Yang Tournament Director ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:55:33 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: knife fights > ...but i think saying "youre gonna get cut, no way around it" is a way to > talk yourself into getting cut, not how to survive the cut. Maybe, people don't respond the same... But the first rule taught in many (most?) blade arts usually goes something like 'you will get cut, your job is to survive'. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Emactkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:42:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: That money thing Ask for credit, but don't be mad if the answer is no. The golf club I belong to doesn't care whether I ever get there, the membership fee is due every month. Do you have a better relationship with your instructor? Then why would you think it's ok to not pay? Or are you just a customer? Obviously I'm crazy, but when my instructor tried to stop me from paying him, I insisted. As long as he was my instructor, I paid tuition. It would never have occurred to me to not pay him while I was on vacation, no matter for how long. Rick Foley ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:59:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Paul Rogers writes: > I've come to the rationalization that it's worth promoting a > slightly less than stellar student if it helps that student stay in the art > for a longer time, with the hope that the dedication and diligence will > increase as the student remains in a positive training environment. Makes sense to me Paul. We try our best to bring a student up to their full potential; however, if I had insisted on qualities originally set for adults, I would not have the wonderful Instructors I have today. Most of them struggled through the first five to ten years before they blossommed into young adults, solid martial artists, and later into fine Instructors. For those who don't believe my (grown up) kids are good Instructors, check out the standards I set for my Instructors by visiting www.nkmaa.ca and look for the page "Instructors". In our school, a Black Belt is NOT an Instructor until s/he completes my Instructors course. I know of few school who have set their standards higher than mine, and every one of my Instructors HAD to pass this standard. I do not wish to brag here, but I simply wish to point out that this would not have been possible if I had not cut some slack in their early training. Sincerely, Rudy National Korean Martial Arts Association ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: Change of topics= hygiene in Dojangs/DoJo's Well I was happy to have a nice debate on the contracts issue. Got those thinking juices flowing. New topic. How do you school owners and instructors handle hygiene problems in your schools ? Or, if you have a student who consistently is letting out gas during a class what do you do ? Think I am joking. I have seen it and smelled it. Cheers, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: mtomlins@mail.volusia.k12.fl.us Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:37:38 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Contracts and other stuff Bruce Sims writes<< In case nobody has told you, becoming a warrior is about running with the Big Dogs. Becoming a warrior is about doing what you say, and saying what you are going to do. The word for this is "integrity". Its about keeping your word, being loyal to your relationships, speaking the truth and helping out whereever the load is sagging. It takes a special kind of person to want to live their lives like that, and maybe even a more special person who is NOT like that but is willing to do what it takes to be able to cash those kinds of "checks". Now, maybe you bean-counters have a faith in your precious money that it will somehow replace your responsibility in the teacher/student relationship. Maybe your precious dollars will absolve you of the responsibility for being accountable for the mental masturbation you have substituted for sound training. Lucky you. But if you can't run with the Big Dogs will you kindly take your sweat-free uniforms, ersatz understanding of martial tradition, your corner-cutting/excuses/rationalizations, gaudy patches and inflated rank and please get back on the porch?>> Now this is EXACTLY what I am talking about!! Paying your bills is about personal honor, not trying to rationalize why it is not your fault and why you shouldn't have to pay,,, it gives you a reason to practice your honor and responsibility. I apologize for going overboard in some of my discussions, I thought I was talking to people who understood these kinds of concepts and actually practiced them ALL the time, not just when it sounded good or after they read a book about Martial Arts while they were on vacation! My bad,, I guess if you practice half heartedly then you would probably pay half heartedly also,, no disrespect to you folks just some personal insight to myself and who I am dealing with... I applaude you Mr. Sims for cutting through all fog!! Michael ------------------------------ From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:47:15 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 In a message dated 2/14/01 12:05:01 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << What I said was "if" the student only comes once or twice a week > and only practices an hour every week at home ... why would I promote them to > black in only 18 months. >> Why promote anyone to black belt in 18 months? Doesn't make sense! gary New CKC Web Page ------------------------------ From: Richard Zaruba Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:57:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #108 There is a bright side to this situation that many people seem to miss also. I have several students that have taken longer than usual to progress through the ranks and have had a harder time learning the material than others, but I wouldn't give them up for anything. They are now some of my most talented students and assistant instructors, they can relate to people better than any of my other students because they have been there. They seem to have a higher level of understanding of their material when learn it and don't take it for granted like many of my so called "naturals". It has been frustrating at times because they didn't pick up the material as easily as my other students, but it is more rewarding when they do. Sincerely, Rich ____________________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba, Head Instructor Kuk Sool Won / North Dakota 201 Veitch Avenue Emerado, ND 58228 Http://www.kuksoolwonnorthdakota.com/ richard_zaruba@und.nodak.edu Sch: (701) 594-6290 Hm: (701) 746-5048 > From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:52:48 EST > Subject: the_dojang: not the best student > > In a message dated 2/13/01 7:31:28 PM Central Standard Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << That is what I mean by "if it takes a year to > test" ... it isn't for everyone ... but there is always that one special > student that needs that amount of time. >>> > I have a 12 year old student who has been with me 5 years, twice a week > classes. He is not very athletic or talented. He in only a purple belt. (4th > gup) He gets promoted about once per year. Lots of heart. From purple to > brown is probably going to be a year and a half journey for him. He'll > eventually get his black belt AND he'll probably do this for life. > > gary > New CKC Web Page > ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:05:29 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:Combat Hapkido Dear Steven: ".....<< Why call it Hapkido?? No disrespect, but it seems it's no longer Hapkido after it's been chopped up (no pun intended) and other techniques added. Steven M. Alagna >> Let's not travel this journey again! Gary................" I think I can appreciate Garys' response. If you read my diatribe in the last DD (#107) you may pick-up that I have a sore-spot for Hapkido "wannabees". I am also not above extending that "wannabee" appellation to many other arts such as TKD/TSD, Shotokan, Eskrima etc.. Here, too, relatively small numbers of dedicated individuals carry the responsibilities for maintaining the integrity of their art while larger numbers pay their bucks, and as long as it is not too much of an inconvenience, say "...me, too." By way of extension, there are individuals who have elected to provide "Hapkido Lite" to such as this latter category of players. Even the originator of ICH has reported at his seminars that he does not teach Hapkido. That does not stop him from trading in the name as it is not trademarked. Nor does that stop people from practicing his brand of Martial commerce because it does not demand as much of them. Now, later down the road when and if these folks engage in a traditional Hapkido school they will experience quite an eye-opener. Some will wonder why traditional Hapkido practitioners will look at their credentials and just smile. Some will wonder why they had not been taught all the various techniques and biomechanical and philosophical underpinnings. The rest will find an opportunity to make it to the door and look for other less knowledgeable venues such as MA schools where "Hapkido Lite" is taught secondary or as a single part of some greater generalized curriculum. In such locations these folks can still present themselves as "Hapkido practitioners" because the frame of reference is much less exacting. Training in traditional MA, and specifically in Hapkido is demanding and there are those who want it and will pay whatever is necessary to study the art. Training in Martial theatre or Martial commerce, on the other hand, not only is not as demanding but is easily passed off to the uninformed and poorly motivated as "just as good as" its fully-formed original --- and-they have the nifty paper certificates to prove it. Now, if the 2nd Pillar of Hapkido is valid (Point and Circle Principle) we are about to hear from Mr. Rowe. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: UTAKOTKD@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:09:11 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: Bare-Knuckle vs. One-Step Sparring I would like some feedback on this issue. Does any one think a student would benefit more from bare-knuckle fighting or one-step-sparring. wsj ------------------------------ From: Piotr Bernat Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:30:05 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Simultaneous Training > A question for everyone. Does your school/organization have a policy on > training simultaneously with a different organization or MA? > > Brian Woodard > Dirty Brown Belt TKD In Poland: WTF group - they`re not interested in it, if you pay your fees you can do whatever you want simultaneously. Many people do for example compete in both WTF and GTF. ITF group - if you are a member, you are not allowed to attend any tournaments held by other MA groups. Eskrima group I belong to - you can also train simultaneously in other styles (most people do), but you cannot be a representative of other Eskrima association. Me - I couldn`t care less, provided that my students remember where are they from... Regards - -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 8:02:19 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #109 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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