From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #118 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 16 Feb 2001 Vol 08 : Num 118 In this issue: the_dojang: living by virtue the_dojang: The 15-year "Thing" is Hysterical the_dojang: RE:The greatest style of all the_dojang: RE: Knife Talk the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #117 the_dojang: 15 years to black belt the_dojang: Kidding Re: the_dojang: Kidding Subject: the_dojang: re: Mastering one's self.../Cheree the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1111 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The premier internet discussion forum devoted to the Korean Martial Arts. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Monjar Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:16:58 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: living by virtue On 02/16 15:34 -0500, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > > It is often stated that Tang Soo Do is a "way of life." Practitioner's are > adamantly opposed to referencing it as a "sport." We are taught to live by > virtue: > 1. Be loyal to your country. > 2. Be obedient to your parents. > 3. Be loving between husband and wife. > 4. Be cooperative between brothers. > 5. Be respectful to your elders. > 6. Be faithful between teacher and student. > 7. Be faithful between friends. > 8. Know the difference between good and evil. > 9. Never retreat in battle. > 10. Always finish what you start. > I study TKD, this is extremely similar to what we recite at the end of class. Other than minor word changes the only difference is #8. For that one we say "Use good judgment before killing living things." - -- Daniel Monjar (mailto:dmonjar@orgtek.com) " 'cause Life's a lesson, you learn it when you're through." -- Limp Bizkit ------------------------------ From: "Craig Stovall" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:30:53 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: The 15-year "Thing" is Hysterical Watching these drop-dead serious replies to John's OBVIOUS joke is a laugh riot. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:32:39 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE:The greatest style of all Hey, Its such a small world! Not long ago I had some of your Instructor's students visit my school. I was very impressed! Would have liked to have seen them demonstrate a few techniques, but was assured that they were so deadly their Supreme Grand Wizard had sworn them to secrecy. Couldn't even tell me the name. Come to think of it, I once visited a similar school in southern MS, not Jackson Master West but a couple or 3 hours to the southeast, who must have belonged to the same Grand Pupaw. Danny Dunn Ain't life grand. James Mangrum <<<<<<< Hey John Bennett my style is better than your style! How old are you anyway? That's impossible! My instructor told me that our style was the best! He said it was darn near undefeatable. He said it was 3000 years old. He said it was handed down directly to him from the REAL masters in the home-country. He said we were the only ones who were learning the real secrets and inside budo meaning behind the art. He said it was developed for use on the battlefield in real war. He said it was based on scientific priciples. He said the Navy Seals, Delta Force, Army Rangers, & CIA agents all used it. He said it was too secret and deadly to show on instructional videotapes or display winning fights on pay-per-view. Now who am I supposed to believe? My esteemed GrandMaster whose boots I lick and to whom I give my hard-earned money, or You, some buffoon out on the internet who wants to prove he is older than everyone else?>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:54:10 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Knife Talk Dear Daniel: ".....There's a couple of Cold Steel models I've had my eye on. It seems like I can save quite a bit of money buying from a distributor rather than direct from Cold Steel. Anyone on the list have good experiences with online knife purchasing?...." At the risk of offending you I am going to take the liberty of offering some advice. Buying a knife or a sword is not like picking up on a bag of apples from the local grocery store and despite the tendency of all good Americans to shop with their wallet rather than their brains I strongly encourage you to put money down at the bottom of your list of concerns. If you have extensive experience wielding or using a knife you probably have an advantage over many and would be able to purchase a knife based solely on architecture and description. Most of us, however, must ask ourselves what the knife will be used for and spend a period of time carrying a variety of styles which would serve in this manner. The same holds true for materials as a variety of duties requires a variety of materials. For instance, there are reasons that most good military and survival knives are high quality carbon and not stainless steels. I personally liked being able to discuss my needs with a person who knows what he is talking about. A case in point was being able to discuss sword architecture with James Williams at BUGEI TRADING Co. I know when I make my sword purchase it will be one of their items. Not that I can't get a Chen sword cheaper through MANTISS or one of the others. But there is something to be said for buying a quality tool from someone other than a "shop-keeper". Let me also add that over the years I have collected quite an assortment of knives, usually purchased on impulse or through the romantic in me. The last purchase I made was a Spydeco Professional which is my constant companion. I made this last purchase after sitting with a knife enthusiast for quite a while who was patient enough to help me examine just what it was I wanted the knife for and how it was to be used. Funny thing is that had I relied on my own judgement this ugly little knife would have probably been the last thing I would have bought. As it is I have developed a sound relationship with it and it hasn't let me down. I think that result is really what you are buying when you pay the extra in time and money to research, ask questions and listen to the answers. Good luck in your search, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: "Sims, Bruce W. NCHVAMC" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:11:30 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V8 #117 Dear JB: "...So the question for the digest is: what do write about in these essays? When you have read one (or more) of them, what do you look for?..." I have never been a big fan of the essay approach. I would rather ask the people to speak off the top of their head as I think this is also a clue to their maturity level. I wish I could give you some nifty READERS DIGEST answer of five main bullets. The fact is that its not really what is expressed but how it is expressed that makes a difference to me. Some of the things that I will grade-down on are excess verbage-talk for its own sake---, pre-occupation with history and development, and grand-standing (brown-nosing the teacher, school or art). On the other hand, I want to know how the art, the school, me and the other students are going to be any better off because this student is being given more responsibility. I want to know how this student is going to handle an increase in responsibility and not cut corners someplace else in his life. I want to know what's going to keep this student going after the shine from the promotion has worn off but he still has to meet his new responsibilities. I want to know what he thinks it is about his behavior that will provide a good model for others and encourage people to come out of the best part of themselves. I want to know what it is that will keep him from cutting and running when he comes face-to-face with that one big challenge in his new position (whatever it is) and he drops the ball and everybody including him knows that he dropped the ball. I want to know what it is that will keep him from abusing his authority, making excuses, telling lies, misrepresenting himself and all the other zillion things we all hope such a candidate is working to grow away from. Mostly, though, I want to know what this student thinks is now fundamentally different about themselves for my having invested my time in effort to invite them out of the best part of themselves and in which direction the next foot is going to placed. Best Wishes, Bruce W Sims www.midwesthapkido.com ------------------------------ From: J T Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:07:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: 15 years to black belt To all who responed to this gentleman I think you need to drink some herbal tea and relax. It looks like to me he was making a joke and being sarcastic. I missed out on what he was originally applying to, but it sounds like he was mocking the whole thing of the longer it take you to get a black belt the better you must be. Perhaps he needs to get smiley faces on his messages or we need to get a stronger since of humor. Either way just relax and meditate or go drinking, or break wood or whatever you guy do to relax. Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Rudy Timmerman" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:14:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kidding Ray writes: > Geezzz folks, he was kidding. That should have been obvious. Ray, I guess I have just met too many "martial artists" who have precicely the attitude John managed to portray so well. Sorry John! Sincerely, Rudy ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:01:37 PST Subject: Re: the_dojang: Kidding > Ray writes: > > Geezzz folks, he was kidding. That should have been obvious. > > Ray, I guess I have just met too many "martial artists" who have precicely > the attitude John managed to portray so well. Sorry John! No harm, no foul. Not always so easy to tell in this text-based forum. Ray "Meanest and Best Looking MAist in the World" Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick L" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:14:45 -0800 Subject: Subject: the_dojang: re: Mastering one's self.../Cheree Regarding the decision of the Master that made a call in a match allegedly contrary to the rules. IMHO you say - "Yes sir." and live with it. If he is your Master you say "Yes sir!" and mean it! IMHO when students think the results of 3 - 2 minute rounds are more important than respect for a person that has dedicated their life to the MA (even when they are in error) they need to re-prioritize. I seriously doubt that in the quest to "be right" anyone's long term interests will be served. Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:31:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V8 #118 ******************************** It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org To unsubscribe from the_dojang-digest send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.